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greetings and salutations friends and

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welcome back it is monday and we are off

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to the start of a new wonderful week

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here

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for the past several days now my inbox

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uh

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and all of my social media has been lit

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up with people anxiously wanting to hear

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what i think of tonight's

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subject which is the

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calvin ufo photo for those unaware

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there has been discussions since the

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early 1990s or at least mid 1990s as i

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recall

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of a legendary photograph

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a ufo photo that's so clear and so

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amazing it'll blow your mind and this

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photograph has been long

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discussed and talked about but never

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seen

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now uh nick pope did commission a

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recreation and there's been various

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stories from nick pope but to be honest

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with you i'm not a big fan of nick pope

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nor do i believe that anything that he

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says is really worthy of taking as truth

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considering he's lied about his role uh

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we've been over this before

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and in fact nick pope couldn't even

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get the story straight

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he once said that he walked into an

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office not his own

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where this calvin photo was blown up to

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poster size and he saw it there and

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asked about it and heard about it later

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the story would change and nick pope

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would say that

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he in his office put a poster of that

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photograph up

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lately now since the photograph has been

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released he has said that because of his

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security clearances he can't discuss

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whether the photo is real or not i call

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on that

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there's a there's a lot of problems with

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nick pope and with a lot of things nick

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but still

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other researchers had talked about this

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mythical photo it was something of a

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legend and i thought for years that it

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were these people

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exaggerating what they had seen

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were the stories of a

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british ufo cover-up true

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um i've always wondered that so last

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couple of days the photo was released

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and everyone is uh

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off to the races it should be noted that

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there are so little new things that

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actually come out but the fact that

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there's a new ufo photograph that i will

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say is is a very compelling photograph

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has uh really ignited

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those interested in the subject of uh

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it appears as if the battle lines are

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people commenting there could be this it

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but there's been an entire lot of

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speculation and not much facts

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and i think that's the problem with this

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um for example people are asking me what

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interview the pilot of the plane that is

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shown now i showed this photograph

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several people that i trust that are

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aviation experts and both of them came

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back and told me that it was a harrier

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other people are even given the specific

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model number of it

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i have found that there is no actual

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evidence of flights of harrier jets or

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any military craft in the area the

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um so that's a problem for me

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now the speculation has gone pretty

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crazy on this uh from people saying it's

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a reflection of uh you know

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much as i could those of you who know me

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know that i am visually impaired but i

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do have one of those monocle you know

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magnifiers that you can look at

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airplane not a man in a row boat so

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there's a lot of crazy speculation going

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there's a few problems with this photo

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these flying objects and we just don't

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now i i talked about this with a few

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people that i whose opinions i respect

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spooky here and uh earlier today on that

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one time i was abducted by alien spooky

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did what i'm told is a very very very uh

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fact-based great presentation on this

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photograph

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now i had started to prepare something

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why don't we just bring spooky here and

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and break all of it down for you so

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detective the detective

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hello how are we doing you know i think

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this is the first time that you've

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actually just been a guest by yourself

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right this is actually the first time

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off of a panel i've just come on to

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actually talk about something so hello

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everybody you're always welcome i don't

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know why

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okay no i'm telling the audience not you

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excitement over this and do this

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excitement about this photograph is

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that that's my main question and i'll

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get to that in the presentation it's

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the undeveloped negatives get sent where

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government stance that they gave the

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photos back to what was it the newspaper

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right right they sent it back to um the

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newspaper in glasgow allegedly um i

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convenient uh that you know both both

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mean yeah they could very well have just

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got lost in the mail or someone found

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were something else i mean there's many

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and there's nothing going on over here

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the u.s senate and congress that now

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they feel okay to talk about it so they

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get an ex-officer to really you know

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release the photo and you know i've had

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uh several people have suggested to me

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that nick pope and his entire story

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about investigating crop circles and

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story is has fallen apart in the past

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that's that now people are going see

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talk about this photo in 1996 and say

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that he saw it it was right crystal

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breathtaking and this is in line with

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what what craig lindsey said he saw when

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he also went to the mod office so

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i mean i don't doubt that there was a

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fur this photo was displayed like

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there's two independent people that are

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saying that they saw it in the same

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building

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my question what i thought was so weird

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is that if nick pope truly saw this

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photo why was the recreation which he

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commissioned and and gave all the

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information right the recreation is way

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way different than the actual photo

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well there were six firsts that's the

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thing like okay

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so it could have been any of the other

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five frames

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that happened to capture the hills and

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stuff but

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how i mean how quickly did did that

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camera take photographs did they did all

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of them have the jet coming through was

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it that quick

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it's hard to tell unless we know what

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camera it was and we don't we don't know

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what camera what focal length or what

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lens

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yeah so it's it's very difficult um

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university

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and he did an analysis on the photograph

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and came to the conclusion that it does

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match the story that's been told um the

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the technology of the time it's printed

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the time like kodak paper

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and for all intents and purposes as far

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as you can tell it's a genuine image

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that is

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showing what it's

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supposedly showing

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yeah because we have no idea what the

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object is and we'll get into some of the

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things that i found that people are

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saying but we should we should show

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everybody you have

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kari is much more prepared than me you

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got a powerpoint

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did you learn this by watching david

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wilcock you got to have slides bro right

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with videos embedded in them or a video

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a video

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actually no no three three videos right

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i'm better than david wilcock

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he can pay me royalties for stealing my

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by the way i'm pissed off with david

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wilcock right now

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because he was supposed to do a video

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yesterday

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which means

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i could get a show out of whatever

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nonsense he was talking maybe two and

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now i can't

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he did hey i i he's robbed me of the

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chance to make yet another epic

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thumbnail

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with you know his face of a car and oh

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no i gave all my money to savage

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aerospace and it's just going down

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oh no elizabeth come back

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come back

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yeah she she took the money and ran she

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ain't never coming what money

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is this whatever was left that he didn't

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get

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some

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aerospace company yes and for those

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unaware just search our channel here for

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david wilcock video david wilcock gave

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all his money away to some scam

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aerospace company claiming he's going to

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build hover cars and then his wife left

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them what she found out how much money

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he gave them yeah

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all this i heard i i don't know

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i hope so i hope he's broke his

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eating

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you know robin

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explain why he he just kind of started

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growing his hair out and being a bit

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wacky because he's just he's got nothing

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left

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other than just

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the grip

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i really gotta i have to add your uh

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yeah there we go there you go you you

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have the you have the control here okay

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now i'm full screen so i can't see you

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so if you want to jump in just jump in

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because i can't i can't see

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all right so this video is gonna be fair

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use uh this is a little uh four and a

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half minute

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little report made by david clarke one

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of the

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the men responsible for the release of

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the photograph oh and by the way

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i want to make sure that i mention that

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absolutely

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credit should be given to the people who

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found this photo this legendary photo

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regardless

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i don't care

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be that's incredible good work tracking

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down somebody that made a copy of it and

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all of this so so congratulations to him

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for a great find yeah i hope he gets so

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lots of you know yeah i i just i mean if

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this story is is legit that could be a

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pulitzer in here

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mysterious ufo photo covered up and

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and lost to history allegedly covered up

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yeah allegedly and then lost to history

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for 30 plus years and then and here we

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have it

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now

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uh once again fair use phase for you

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spray rendering commentary on this video

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here we are at calvin in the scottish

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highlands

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where we're standing at the moment is

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about 10 11 miles northwest of the town

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of pitlochry and this is the place where

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one of the most famous ufo photographs

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in uk history was taken

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and so the seniors finally

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you may have seen a simulated version of

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what this photograph looked like

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showing the um the scottish mountains in

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the background this has been produced

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this is like an artist's impression

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so that's what a lot of people will have

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seen online

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but the actual photograph was taken in a

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different position which we can actually

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see from here

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now that is a um a

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first generation

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photocopy taken from an original print

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where you can see um a wire fence

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running in the background um even with

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some um what looks like wool from from

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the local sheep caught on the fence and

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we can see some scots pine hanging um

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from the top of the of the image you can

401
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very clearly see the the the object the

402
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diamond shaped object that was described

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and what appears to be one raf aircraft

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immediately below it so

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the scene that you can see on the actual

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image the calvin photograph

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we believe is up there on the hill

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strewn point

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so this um

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story um

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should have originally been in the daily

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record the photograph was taken

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one evening in august 1990 and two guys

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who were working in a in a hotel at pitt

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lockery called the athol palace hotel uh

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they'd gone out after work um to do a

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walk in this area they'd parked at

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calvin they'd gone through a wood and

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over a fence and when they were over the

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fence they suddenly realized that there

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was a

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large diamond-shaped silent object

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hovering in the sky above them and

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understandably they were pretty

425
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perturbed at this really scared they ran

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back to the fence where the wood was and

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as they were waiting they heard the

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noise of a jet coming down the valley

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and the jet appeared to go past this

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object disappeared into the distance and

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then

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some time later returned and began

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circling around it at that point we

434
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started taking photograph

435
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i've been looking into this um ufo

436
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photograph for some time since some

437
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basic images were released

438
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by the national archives in 2008 after a

439
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lot of investigative work i managed to

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track down craig lindsay who was the raf

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press officer at the time

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who received these images from the daily

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record in glasgow when we met he brought

444
00:19:03,669 --> 00:19:00,960
the actual original colour photograph

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00:19:05,510 --> 00:19:03,679
that he'd kept for 31 years and i was

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able to examine that he's basically

447
00:19:09,110 --> 00:19:07,520
spoken for the first time because i

448
00:19:11,029 --> 00:19:09,120
contacted him i was able to track him

449
00:19:13,830 --> 00:19:11,039
down no one had asked him about this

450
00:19:17,029 --> 00:19:13,840
until i called him um and he um

451
00:19:19,110 --> 00:19:17,039
interviewed by phone um the one of the

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two witnesses who had actually been out

453
00:19:23,350 --> 00:19:21,360
here and actually seen this um object in

454
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the sky and took the photographs and

455
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they told a very straightforward

456
00:19:28,470 --> 00:19:27,120
convincing story they were obviously

457
00:19:29,750 --> 00:19:28,480
wanted to know what this thing was

458
00:19:30,950 --> 00:19:29,760
whether they'd seen something that was

459
00:19:33,430 --> 00:19:30,960
secret

460
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so they sent their um photographs and

461
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negatives to the picture desk at the

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daily record in glasgow and it was the

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00:19:44,630 --> 00:19:40,799
picture editor at the gla at this

464
00:19:47,350 --> 00:19:44,640
newspaper who um phoned um the raf press

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office at raf patriovi castle so that's

466
00:19:51,270 --> 00:19:49,919
how craig came into the story and they

467
00:19:53,029 --> 00:19:51,280
asked they said that they've been sent

468
00:19:55,510 --> 00:19:53,039
these photographs and they'd like a

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00:19:57,430 --> 00:19:55,520
comment but craig said well

470
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um i'd need to see the photographs first

471
00:20:02,630 --> 00:19:59,520
before i could give any comments so what

472
00:20:04,390 --> 00:20:02,640
happened was they sent um a

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one of the best images

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in a envelope by courier to

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the raf patrivi so that's the point at

476
00:20:16,549 --> 00:20:13,440
which craig then contacted secretariat

477
00:20:18,950 --> 00:20:16,559
air staff 2a which was everyone knows

478
00:20:22,310 --> 00:20:18,960
was the ufo desk in london

479
00:20:23,830 --> 00:20:22,320
he faxed a copy of this image to them

480
00:20:25,110 --> 00:20:23,840
they didn't seem particularly interested

481
00:20:26,950 --> 00:20:25,120
at first but as soon as they saw the

482
00:20:29,510 --> 00:20:26,960
image they came back and said yeah can

483
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you get all of the the negatives can you

484
00:20:33,750 --> 00:20:32,400
speak to the the men who saw this thing

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00:20:36,149 --> 00:20:33,760
or claimed that they'd seen this thing

486
00:20:38,470 --> 00:20:36,159
so that's the point at which um he

487
00:20:40,070 --> 00:20:38,480
phoned them and found out exactly what

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00:20:42,710 --> 00:20:40,080
had happened

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00:20:44,230 --> 00:20:42,720
and we finally after all these years are

490
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now getting to the truth about this

491
00:20:49,270 --> 00:20:46,559
photograph but we there are still

492
00:20:51,990 --> 00:20:49,280
many unanswered questions we still don't

493
00:20:54,310 --> 00:20:52,000
know um whether this was a genuine

494
00:20:56,549 --> 00:20:54,320
unidentified object or whether it was

495
00:21:02,870 --> 00:20:56,559
some kind of secret military technology

496
00:21:06,950 --> 00:21:05,350
very nice yeah that that

497
00:21:09,190 --> 00:21:06,960
there's a little there's some things

498
00:21:11,350 --> 00:21:09,200
that are confusing to me though and that

499
00:21:14,390 --> 00:21:11,360
is that originally they were supposed to

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00:21:18,870 --> 00:21:14,400
have taken these with color film right

501
00:21:22,470 --> 00:21:19,909
well i

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00:21:24,950 --> 00:21:22,480
the uh the the photographic

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analysis report from sheffield

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00:21:31,110 --> 00:21:28,840
university uh had it on black and white

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film like it had been shot on black and

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white film i think the camera was

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capable of color it was capable of doing

508
00:21:38,870 --> 00:21:37,200
color film but it was shot in black yeah

509
00:21:40,230 --> 00:21:38,880
see that's a little strange to me

510
00:21:42,950 --> 00:21:40,240
because

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00:21:45,110 --> 00:21:42,960
unlike you corey i'm old enough that you

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00:21:47,510 --> 00:21:45,120
know i remember filmed cameras and

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00:21:49,510 --> 00:21:47,520
almost nobody would carry around a film

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00:21:51,510 --> 00:21:49,520
with black and white

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00:21:54,950 --> 00:21:51,520
photograph you know black and white film

516
00:21:57,110 --> 00:21:54,960
in it in 1990 unless you were like

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00:21:58,710 --> 00:21:57,120
like i was into photography so i would

518
00:22:01,430 --> 00:21:58,720
buy black and white film and

519
00:22:03,830 --> 00:22:01,440
specifically take black and white

520
00:22:05,430 --> 00:22:03,840
photographs of like maybe they were into

521
00:22:07,510 --> 00:22:05,440
black and white photography yeah but

522
00:22:08,470 --> 00:22:07,520
interesting nice landscape yeah it's one

523
00:22:10,310 --> 00:22:08,480
thing that

524
00:22:12,470 --> 00:22:10,320
struck out at me is it's a little odd

525
00:22:13,909 --> 00:22:12,480
for somebody to be walking around with a

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00:22:16,789 --> 00:22:13,919
camera with

527
00:22:18,549 --> 00:22:16,799
black and white film in it in 1990

528
00:22:20,549 --> 00:22:18,559
but you're right it could be just

529
00:22:22,149 --> 00:22:20,559
somebody that was a into photography

530
00:22:23,909 --> 00:22:22,159
i've heard that they were amateur

531
00:22:27,029 --> 00:22:23,919
photographers

532
00:22:29,270 --> 00:22:27,039
or one of them well the fact that one of

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00:22:31,750 --> 00:22:29,280
them i mean back then having a

534
00:22:33,350 --> 00:22:31,760
a camera wasn't nearly as common as it

535
00:22:35,029 --> 00:22:33,360
is now so it's

536
00:22:37,750 --> 00:22:35,039
it's conceivable that they were going up

537
00:22:39,510 --> 00:22:37,760
there at sunset to take some

538
00:22:41,430 --> 00:22:39,520
some landscape shots i mean it's it's

539
00:22:43,909 --> 00:22:41,440
beautiful country out there

540
00:22:45,270 --> 00:22:43,919
so i can i could really conceive of

541
00:22:47,510 --> 00:22:45,280
doing that

542
00:22:50,070 --> 00:22:47,520
so this is craig lindsay

543
00:22:52,630 --> 00:22:50,080
uh he is the gentleman that had the

544
00:22:55,350 --> 00:22:52,640
had the photograph in his uh

545
00:22:56,789 --> 00:22:55,360
in his desk this desk

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00:22:58,870 --> 00:22:56,799
uh in this book

547
00:23:00,310 --> 00:22:58,880
a great aircraft of the world in this

548
00:23:02,149 --> 00:23:00,320
envelope

549
00:23:03,909 --> 00:23:02,159
yeah so he was just hiding it he just

550
00:23:05,270 --> 00:23:03,919
took a copy for himself and he hit it

551
00:23:07,270 --> 00:23:05,280
all this time

552
00:23:09,110 --> 00:23:07,280
lucky for us that he did that though

553
00:23:10,710 --> 00:23:09,120
because otherwise it is pretty lucky the

554
00:23:13,510 --> 00:23:10,720
history this would be lost to history

555
00:23:15,510 --> 00:23:13,520
just be a story like a red herring you

556
00:23:17,830 --> 00:23:15,520
know like well there's this super clear

557
00:23:20,230 --> 00:23:17,840
photograph and by the way we can see in

558
00:23:21,029 --> 00:23:20,240
that in that side-by-side comparison

559
00:23:23,669 --> 00:23:21,039
that

560
00:23:26,390 --> 00:23:23,679
the recreation is a lot more fantastical

561
00:23:27,669 --> 00:23:26,400
than the actual photograph

562
00:23:28,870 --> 00:23:27,679
yeah who was in charge of that

563
00:23:31,909 --> 00:23:28,880
recreation

564
00:23:33,510 --> 00:23:31,919
i think it was nick pope

565
00:23:36,070 --> 00:23:33,520
interesting

566
00:23:38,149 --> 00:23:36,080
he commissioned somebody to do uh you

567
00:23:39,669 --> 00:23:38,159
know a mock-up of the photograph that he

568
00:23:42,070 --> 00:23:39,679
had

569
00:23:45,350 --> 00:23:42,080
he saw

570
00:23:47,190 --> 00:23:45,360
i mean adding i guess adding the uh

571
00:23:50,230 --> 00:23:47,200
i mean it could have adding the

572
00:23:51,669 --> 00:23:50,240
landscape and adds context and scale to

573
00:23:53,430 --> 00:23:51,679
the craft

574
00:23:54,630 --> 00:23:53,440
and also he could have seen a different

575
00:23:56,390 --> 00:23:54,640
frame

576
00:23:58,310 --> 00:23:56,400
yeah so this is another problem that i

577
00:24:00,149 --> 00:23:58,320
have

578
00:24:01,750 --> 00:24:00,159
take it till it down where you see the

579
00:24:05,029 --> 00:24:01,760
landscape where the one that's been

580
00:24:06,470 --> 00:24:05,039
released could be pointed up like yeah

581
00:24:07,430 --> 00:24:06,480
this is the problem that i have with one

582
00:24:09,510 --> 00:24:07,440
of the problems i have with the

583
00:24:12,390 --> 00:24:09,520
photograph is that it could we don't

584
00:24:14,870 --> 00:24:12,400
have any idea of scale or perspective we

585
00:24:16,310 --> 00:24:14,880
don't know how far away from the camera

586
00:24:17,990 --> 00:24:16,320
they were so it's

587
00:24:20,149 --> 00:24:18,000
you know i know that people are doing

588
00:24:22,870 --> 00:24:20,159
photo analytics and saying well the

589
00:24:25,269 --> 00:24:22,880
object based on my uh

590
00:24:26,310 --> 00:24:25,279
you know analysis had to have been right

591
00:24:27,909 --> 00:24:26,320
but

592
00:24:30,230 --> 00:24:27,919
there are photogrammetry techniques that

593
00:24:30,870 --> 00:24:30,240
you can apply but it's it's very hard if

594
00:24:32,870 --> 00:24:30,880
you

595
00:24:33,909 --> 00:24:32,880
the only point of reference we have is

596
00:24:35,990 --> 00:24:33,919
the jet

597
00:24:37,350 --> 00:24:36,000
and you can find out exactly how long

598
00:24:39,830 --> 00:24:37,360
that jet is

599
00:24:42,230 --> 00:24:39,840
but then it's we don't know how like

600
00:24:45,590 --> 00:24:42,240
what the like yeah the jet could have

601
00:24:47,990 --> 00:24:45,600
been 5 000 feet behind the object right

602
00:24:50,149 --> 00:24:48,000
which would be closer to the camera so

603
00:24:52,789 --> 00:24:50,159
right we don't even know how big this

604
00:24:54,390 --> 00:24:52,799
object actually is and many people have

605
00:24:56,789 --> 00:24:54,400
suggested that it could be right that it

606
00:24:59,190 --> 00:24:56,799
could be a model on a string like a

607
00:25:00,870 --> 00:24:59,200
billy meyer photograph and they just by

608
00:25:02,870 --> 00:25:00,880
chance we're lucky that there was an

609
00:25:05,269 --> 00:25:02,880
airplane flying by and they snapped a

610
00:25:08,310 --> 00:25:05,279
picture of a photograph it's it's very

611
00:25:11,110 --> 00:25:08,320
uh you know good for this guy for uh for

612
00:25:12,630 --> 00:25:11,120
getting to the actual photograph

613
00:25:14,630 --> 00:25:12,640
it's amazing

614
00:25:16,230 --> 00:25:14,640
amazing yeah

615
00:25:19,029 --> 00:25:16,240
you know you've just uh reminded me of

616
00:25:21,029 --> 00:25:19,039
something i said earlier uh well me and

617
00:25:23,029 --> 00:25:21,039
brie said it earlier on our show um

618
00:25:24,950 --> 00:25:23,039
isn't it interesting how the i want to

619
00:25:28,390 --> 00:25:24,960
believe poster is one of the most famous

620
00:25:30,630 --> 00:25:28,400
iconographies of ufos in culture and

621
00:25:31,510 --> 00:25:30,640
it's a fake photo

622
00:25:35,669 --> 00:25:31,520
yeah

623
00:25:37,110 --> 00:25:35,679
paradox where it's a symbol of people

624
00:25:38,470 --> 00:25:37,120
who believe but it's fair

625
00:25:40,830 --> 00:25:38,480
billy myers

626
00:25:41,830 --> 00:25:40,840
sued at the x-files and they had to

627
00:25:43,750 --> 00:25:41,840
change yeah

628
00:25:46,310 --> 00:25:43,760
yeah because they originally

629
00:25:48,310 --> 00:25:46,320
used the original poster

630
00:25:50,310 --> 00:25:48,320
yeah they originally did use a billy

631
00:25:52,710 --> 00:25:50,320
meyer photograph for the for their

632
00:25:55,909 --> 00:25:52,720
mock-up for their television show

633
00:25:58,789 --> 00:25:55,919
famously you know mulder had a i want to

634
00:26:00,710 --> 00:25:58,799
believe poster and but so anyway billy

635
00:26:01,750 --> 00:26:00,720
myers sued them and they had to change

636
00:26:03,510 --> 00:26:01,760
it right

637
00:26:06,710 --> 00:26:03,520
yeah that was like that was like in the

638
00:26:08,710 --> 00:26:06,720
mid mid 90s it was like 96 it was around

639
00:26:10,310 --> 00:26:08,720
the time the movie was but that is funny

640
00:26:12,149 --> 00:26:10,320
everybody's got this i want to believe

641
00:26:14,470 --> 00:26:12,159
poster you almost have to like if you're

642
00:26:15,350 --> 00:26:14,480
in the ufos yeah

643
00:26:18,070 --> 00:26:15,360
but it's

644
00:26:20,710 --> 00:26:18,080
the the irony is is it's a great picture

645
00:26:22,950 --> 00:26:20,720
of you it's a fake photo and it kind of

646
00:26:24,710 --> 00:26:22,960
it's kind of a meta joke on the x-files

647
00:26:26,470 --> 00:26:24,720
because the amount of time mulder gets

648
00:26:28,789 --> 00:26:26,480
misled

649
00:26:32,149 --> 00:26:28,799
by fake evidence and things and then his

650
00:26:34,870 --> 00:26:32,159
own poster in his office is fake and it

651
00:26:37,510 --> 00:26:34,880
just it makes me laugh pretty hard

652
00:26:39,190 --> 00:26:37,520
so his um his proof that craig lindsay

653
00:26:40,710 --> 00:26:39,200
worked uh

654
00:26:44,310 --> 00:26:40,720
in the

655
00:26:47,110 --> 00:26:44,320
air force intelligence

656
00:26:49,909 --> 00:26:47,120
office thing all right yeah

657
00:26:52,710 --> 00:26:49,919
as a senior information officer

658
00:26:54,950 --> 00:26:52,720
air officer that's the first one yeah so

659
00:26:57,350 --> 00:26:54,960
this so this is dr david clarke and this

660
00:26:59,590 --> 00:26:57,360
is dan zetterstrom um they're both

661
00:27:01,110 --> 00:26:59,600
members of a disclosure team uh in here

662
00:27:03,830 --> 00:27:01,120
in the uk

663
00:27:05,590 --> 00:27:03,840
um yeah yeah i have no problem with this

664
00:27:07,669 --> 00:27:05,600
that this gentleman is real and he

665
00:27:10,630 --> 00:27:07,679
really had a copy of this photograph

666
00:27:14,470 --> 00:27:10,640
that that part of the story so far

667
00:27:18,710 --> 00:27:14,480
i don't think is up for debate

668
00:27:21,190 --> 00:27:18,720
yeah i think his uh his credentials and

669
00:27:22,789 --> 00:27:21,200
i mean he's 83 he's not i don't think

670
00:27:24,630 --> 00:27:22,799
he's gonna come out and

671
00:27:25,510 --> 00:27:24,640
and hopes the whole thing at 83 years

672
00:27:28,070 --> 00:27:25,520
old

673
00:27:29,750 --> 00:27:28,080
especially like with the photo

674
00:27:30,789 --> 00:27:29,760
hand-in-hand with the photo analysis

675
00:27:35,590 --> 00:27:30,799
that

676
00:27:38,710 --> 00:27:35,600
not not in terms of what it shows is

677
00:27:39,669 --> 00:27:38,720
legitimate but it's the right paper yeah

678
00:27:42,310 --> 00:27:39,679
physical

679
00:27:45,029 --> 00:27:42,320
it checks out to what this gentleman uh

680
00:27:45,750 --> 00:27:45,039
purported it to be

681
00:27:48,470 --> 00:27:45,760
so

682
00:27:50,230 --> 00:27:48,480
this document on the left uh is

683
00:27:51,590 --> 00:27:50,240
an in-house mod document that's been

684
00:27:54,070 --> 00:27:51,600
released through the uh the national

685
00:27:57,830 --> 00:27:54,080
archives uh it

686
00:27:59,269 --> 00:27:57,840
i'm assuming that this is meant to mean

687
00:28:02,950 --> 00:27:59,279
these are

688
00:28:04,389 --> 00:28:02,960
you're asked about it

689
00:28:06,230 --> 00:28:04,399
yeah they gave them they told them

690
00:28:08,310 --> 00:28:06,240
exactly they told their talking head

691
00:28:10,230 --> 00:28:08,320
puppets that have to interact with the

692
00:28:13,510 --> 00:28:10,240
media

693
00:28:21,669 --> 00:28:13,520
here's the story here's the story dummy

694
00:28:25,430 --> 00:28:23,350
that's interesting though no other

695
00:28:27,350 --> 00:28:25,440
reports received by the mod of unusual

696
00:28:29,830 --> 00:28:27,360
air activity or sightings at location

697
00:28:31,190 --> 00:28:29,840
date and time and and you know this is

698
00:28:32,630 --> 00:28:31,200
one part of the story that i have a

699
00:28:33,909 --> 00:28:32,640
problem with because these guys said

700
00:28:36,789 --> 00:28:33,919
that this thing

701
00:28:38,230 --> 00:28:36,799
was huge in the sky and it hovered for

702
00:28:40,549 --> 00:28:38,240
10 minutes

703
00:28:41,830 --> 00:28:40,559
you know that's a big area somebody else

704
00:28:44,149 --> 00:28:41,840
should have seen this there should have

705
00:28:46,389 --> 00:28:44,159
been multiple reports of this object if

706
00:28:47,590 --> 00:28:46,399
it was indeed a real object in the sky

707
00:28:48,870 --> 00:28:47,600
it's a pretty

708
00:28:50,389 --> 00:28:48,880
pretty like

709
00:28:52,470 --> 00:28:50,399
uh it's hard to miss that's right it's

710
00:28:55,029 --> 00:28:52,480
an empty well it it'd be hard to miss

711
00:28:57,110 --> 00:28:55,039
but it's also it is a very empty area

712
00:28:59,029 --> 00:28:57,120
out there it's up in the hills

713
00:29:00,950 --> 00:28:59,039
so you could easily miss something

714
00:29:02,149 --> 00:29:00,960
because there's not many people up there

715
00:29:05,590 --> 00:29:02,159
there's it's just

716
00:29:08,710 --> 00:29:07,269
so here this this is where it gets

717
00:29:12,070 --> 00:29:08,720
interesting

718
00:29:14,149 --> 00:29:12,080
so here is the craig lindsay's paper

719
00:29:15,590 --> 00:29:14,159
report of when he got in contact with

720
00:29:17,669 --> 00:29:15,600
the witnesses who

721
00:29:19,110 --> 00:29:17,679
uh under section 40 their names are not

722
00:29:22,230 --> 00:29:19,120
going to be released until like the

723
00:29:25,269 --> 00:29:23,029
for

724
00:29:27,830 --> 00:29:25,279
like privacy thing unless they choose to

725
00:29:29,269 --> 00:29:27,840
come forward and say hey that was me

726
00:29:30,710 --> 00:29:29,279
um so for all the people in the chat

727
00:29:32,470 --> 00:29:30,720
saying oh i thought we didn't identify

728
00:29:34,149 --> 00:29:32,480
them how can we know if we don't know

729
00:29:35,669 --> 00:29:34,159
who the witnesses are we

730
00:29:37,750 --> 00:29:35,679
do know who the well they know who the

731
00:29:40,549 --> 00:29:37,760
witnesses are we we're not allowed to

732
00:29:42,149 --> 00:29:40,559
know because it's for privacy

733
00:29:44,630 --> 00:29:42,159
concerns the way the law works in this

734
00:29:46,149 --> 00:29:44,640
country is is it has the identities have

735
00:29:49,110 --> 00:29:46,159
to be protected

736
00:29:51,190 --> 00:29:49,120
thank you lord chris he says uh great

737
00:29:54,950 --> 00:29:51,200
show and nice to see spooky dropping

738
00:29:56,470 --> 00:29:54,960
facts yes that's what i do

739
00:29:59,350 --> 00:29:56,480
it's what i do

740
00:30:00,710 --> 00:29:59,360
so this is really interesting though so

741
00:30:02,630 --> 00:30:00,720
you've got

742
00:30:05,029 --> 00:30:02,640
this paper report

743
00:30:06,830 --> 00:30:05,039
a handwritten report and that's dated

744
00:30:09,909 --> 00:30:06,840
the 4th of august for the

745
00:30:12,710 --> 00:30:09,919
incident now this is really interesting

746
00:30:14,870 --> 00:30:12,720
24 days later

747
00:30:16,230 --> 00:30:14,880
there was a similar craft seen in the

748
00:30:19,590 --> 00:30:16,240
same area

749
00:30:21,750 --> 00:30:19,600
oh that is interesting it is interesting

750
00:30:23,909 --> 00:30:21,760
you have a one object in a kite or

751
00:30:26,870 --> 00:30:23,919
diamond shape in a very bright white

752
00:30:28,470 --> 00:30:26,880
color made no sound at all in a moving

753
00:30:30,149 --> 00:30:28,480
the the witness was in the moving

754
00:30:32,870 --> 00:30:30,159
vehicles and slowed down to view the

755
00:30:35,830 --> 00:30:32,880
object on the a92 southbound in the gala

756
00:30:37,830 --> 00:30:35,840
town roundabout capaldi fife

757
00:30:40,149 --> 00:30:37,840
i saw it with the naked eye to the south

758
00:30:42,070 --> 00:30:40,159
slightly up from the horizon possibly

759
00:30:44,389 --> 00:30:42,080
about 200 feet high

760
00:30:45,990 --> 00:30:44,399
not able to specify

761
00:30:47,909 --> 00:30:46,000
appeared suddenly and then after three

762
00:30:51,430 --> 00:30:47,919
minutes disappeared as if someone had

763
00:30:53,669 --> 00:30:51,440
turned off a light which is in line with

764
00:30:55,669 --> 00:30:53,679
what the other people have said

765
00:30:58,149 --> 00:30:55,679
yeah well that is interesting so there

766
00:31:01,190 --> 00:30:58,159
was a very similar craft cited less than

767
00:31:02,950 --> 00:31:01,200
a month later in the same exact area

768
00:31:04,149 --> 00:31:02,960
that's interesting

769
00:31:06,470 --> 00:31:04,159
and then in the bottom right here we've

770
00:31:09,990 --> 00:31:06,480
got an excerpt from a letter

771
00:31:13,190 --> 00:31:10,000
sent uh in on the 18th of december 1992

772
00:31:15,190 --> 00:31:13,200
uh talking allegedly about this image

773
00:31:16,710 --> 00:31:15,200
and the fact that the photograph is

774
00:31:19,029 --> 00:31:16,720
being brought to the united states in

775
00:31:20,950 --> 00:31:19,039
january so that both intelligence

776
00:31:22,549 --> 00:31:20,960
communities can look at it together the

777
00:31:24,950 --> 00:31:22,559
view from the area

778
00:31:27,029 --> 00:31:24,960
from redacted area in the pentagon is

779
00:31:28,710 --> 00:31:27,039
that the photograph is probably a spoof

780
00:31:30,630 --> 00:31:28,720
and another chapter in the ongoing

781
00:31:32,870 --> 00:31:30,640
aurora saga this was right around the

782
00:31:36,310 --> 00:31:32,880
time when there's a big hoo-ha about

783
00:31:37,110 --> 00:31:36,320
like the project aurora spy plane

784
00:31:38,710 --> 00:31:37,120
um

785
00:31:40,549 --> 00:31:38,720
at the time

786
00:31:42,149 --> 00:31:40,559
that's a that's a convenient way to kind

787
00:31:43,830 --> 00:31:42,159
of explain it away

788
00:31:46,149 --> 00:31:43,840
this is not aurora though i really don't

789
00:31:47,430 --> 00:31:46,159
think this is a project abroad yes but

790
00:31:49,830 --> 00:31:47,440
it does bear

791
00:31:52,870 --> 00:31:49,840
but the craft i should say that the

792
00:31:56,230 --> 00:31:52,880
craft depicted in this photograph

793
00:31:57,350 --> 00:31:56,240
bears an incredibly striking resemblance

794
00:32:00,470 --> 00:31:57,360
to

795
00:32:02,950 --> 00:32:00,480
one version of the so-called aurora

796
00:32:04,870 --> 00:32:02,960
craft drawn by mark mccandlish from

797
00:32:07,430 --> 00:32:04,880
so-called eyewitness accounts but that's

798
00:32:09,350 --> 00:32:07,440
unsubstantiated but it's a dead ringer

799
00:32:11,269 --> 00:32:09,360
for something that mark mccandless once

800
00:32:14,630 --> 00:32:11,279
said here's the

801
00:32:16,710 --> 00:32:14,640
here's the aurora secret craft i i drew

802
00:32:18,630 --> 00:32:16,720
this from an eyewitness description of

803
00:32:21,990 --> 00:32:18,640
somebody that saw it

804
00:32:23,590 --> 00:32:22,000
in a hangar um right and that was right

805
00:32:25,990 --> 00:32:23,600
mark mcanlis came out with those

806
00:32:28,630 --> 00:32:26,000
photographs and the arv right around the

807
00:32:30,310 --> 00:32:28,640
same time that this story is happening

808
00:32:31,430 --> 00:32:30,320
so that is

809
00:32:36,070 --> 00:32:31,440
interesting

810
00:32:41,029 --> 00:32:39,269
so on the next page

811
00:32:43,590 --> 00:32:41,039
now we get to all the debunking that's

812
00:32:44,310 --> 00:32:43,600
been going on

813
00:32:46,630 --> 00:32:44,320
so

814
00:32:50,950 --> 00:32:48,950
i think this for me this pretty much

815
00:32:54,070 --> 00:32:50,960
definitively proves this is not a

816
00:32:57,350 --> 00:32:54,080
reflection because this is the these are

817
00:32:58,230 --> 00:32:57,360
what each half reflected would have been

818
00:33:00,710 --> 00:32:58,240
and

819
00:33:03,029 --> 00:33:00,720
yeah by the way i i did some of this

820
00:33:05,110 --> 00:33:03,039
myself i cut it in half and tried to

821
00:33:07,110 --> 00:33:05,120
double it on the bottom i cut it half

822
00:33:08,630 --> 00:33:07,120
and try to double it on the top i don't

823
00:33:09,590 --> 00:33:08,640
believe that

824
00:33:13,430 --> 00:33:09,600
these

825
00:33:15,029 --> 00:33:13,440
the two the two hats are the same thing

826
00:33:15,830 --> 00:33:15,039
they don't match

827
00:33:19,269 --> 00:33:15,840
also

828
00:33:20,710 --> 00:33:19,279
i i found this really interesting if if

829
00:33:23,509 --> 00:33:20,720
they were mirrored

830
00:33:25,350 --> 00:33:23,519
uh the lighting would be

831
00:33:28,310 --> 00:33:25,360
the the same if they were mirrored

832
00:33:30,870 --> 00:33:28,320
whereas right i did that

833
00:33:33,830 --> 00:33:30,880
histogram and uh and uh

834
00:33:35,269 --> 00:33:33,840
equalized and stretched and you know uh

835
00:33:37,830 --> 00:33:35,279
color

836
00:33:39,590 --> 00:33:37,840
or even radiant

837
00:33:41,750 --> 00:33:39,600
and you're right the top half is

838
00:33:43,190 --> 00:33:41,760
different in in gradient because it's

839
00:33:44,630 --> 00:33:43,200
black and white image than the bottom

840
00:33:47,190 --> 00:33:44,640
half is

841
00:33:49,190 --> 00:33:47,200
a little aside at the the middle

842
00:33:51,190 --> 00:33:49,200
row at the bottom it looks like the tip

843
00:33:52,630 --> 00:33:51,200
of a spear

844
00:33:54,070 --> 00:33:52,640
i noticed that today i was like oh it

845
00:33:56,230 --> 00:33:54,080
looks like kind of like the tip of a

846
00:33:58,230 --> 00:33:56,240
spear that's interesting

847
00:33:59,350 --> 00:33:58,240
um i think i have figured out what it is

848
00:34:00,630 --> 00:33:59,360
though

849
00:34:02,310 --> 00:34:00,640
and every i think everybody will

850
00:34:19,030 --> 00:34:02,320
appreciate this

851
00:34:22,389 --> 00:34:20,790
he's right you gotta give it to him i

852
00:34:24,230 --> 00:34:22,399
like the friendly competition everybody

853
00:34:25,990 --> 00:34:24,240
has it's when it gets personal it's not

854
00:34:28,069 --> 00:34:26,000
good but like friendly competition in

855
00:34:29,510 --> 00:34:28,079
the research space is healthy i think

856
00:34:30,950 --> 00:34:29,520
it's everyone's

857
00:34:32,950 --> 00:34:30,960
gonna know i want to figure it out first

858
00:34:35,270 --> 00:34:32,960
i want to figure out first well i like

859
00:34:38,149 --> 00:34:35,280
mcquest even though somehow he won't

860
00:34:39,990 --> 00:34:38,159
come on my show but he went on your show

861
00:34:42,149 --> 00:34:40,000
how's that work

862
00:34:44,950 --> 00:34:42,159
um i'm just i'm just far prettier than

863
00:34:46,310 --> 00:34:44,960
you stephen no i've noticed something

864
00:34:49,589 --> 00:34:46,320
he goes on

865
00:34:51,750 --> 00:34:49,599
shows run by females all the time but he

866
00:34:54,790 --> 00:34:51,760
rarely goes on shows

867
00:34:56,550 --> 00:34:54,800
run by males i think maybe that's just

868
00:34:59,430 --> 00:34:56,560
maybe i'm wrong he went on

869
00:35:02,230 --> 00:34:59,440
he went on bottled waters podcast

870
00:35:05,670 --> 00:35:02,240
oh well i have to ask him again i don't

871
00:35:07,109 --> 00:35:05,680
know i've asked him several times

872
00:35:10,310 --> 00:35:07,119
ask nicely

873
00:35:12,069 --> 00:35:10,320
i i did i do i do i mean

874
00:35:14,630 --> 00:35:12,079
and then we get to stephen greenstreet

875
00:35:16,310 --> 00:35:14,640
who's in overdrive on twitter right i

876
00:35:17,670 --> 00:35:16,320
noticed this but he's asking good

877
00:35:19,670 --> 00:35:17,680
questions here don't you think so i

878
00:35:21,829 --> 00:35:19,680
think he is

879
00:35:24,310 --> 00:35:21,839
i think he's uh like uh his questions

880
00:35:25,990 --> 00:35:24,320
today i was like that yes those are the

881
00:35:27,829 --> 00:35:26,000
questions that i i

882
00:35:29,589 --> 00:35:27,839
want answers to is

883
00:35:31,349 --> 00:35:29,599
uh there's some discrepancies that need

884
00:35:33,829 --> 00:35:31,359
to be cleared up so

885
00:35:36,069 --> 00:35:33,839
reporter report says hikers took photos

886
00:35:37,990 --> 00:35:36,079
gave photos to newspaper newspaper gave

887
00:35:40,630 --> 00:35:38,000
photos to mod and then the photos

888
00:35:42,470 --> 00:35:40,640
vanished but mod officially says that

889
00:35:45,030 --> 00:35:42,480
they returned photos to the newspaper is

890
00:35:46,710 --> 00:35:45,040
the mod lying if not why return

891
00:35:48,390 --> 00:35:46,720
something you're trying to hide which is

892
00:35:50,870 --> 00:35:48,400
kind of the narrative that david clarke

893
00:35:52,870 --> 00:35:50,880
has been saying that there's been

894
00:35:54,630 --> 00:35:52,880
this effort to cover it up which is it's

895
00:35:56,870 --> 00:35:54,640
confusing like

896
00:35:58,470 --> 00:35:56,880
i'm not i don't like this

897
00:36:01,510 --> 00:35:58,480
the veneer and the spin i just want the

898
00:36:04,550 --> 00:36:01,520
facts like i don't i don't need the spin

899
00:36:06,310 --> 00:36:04,560
um yeah and then the second question is

900
00:36:07,510 --> 00:36:06,320
better i like this one better because i

901
00:36:09,670 --> 00:36:07,520
agree with them there's something not

902
00:36:12,230 --> 00:36:09,680
right if it's top secret

903
00:36:14,230 --> 00:36:12,240
and that i mean he's 83 years old he may

904
00:36:15,750 --> 00:36:14,240
be doing it now because he knows like

905
00:36:17,910 --> 00:36:15,760
they're not going to prosecute him he's

906
00:36:20,390 --> 00:36:17,920
like way too old to go through that

907
00:36:22,550 --> 00:36:20,400
yeah and it's like a it's a perfect

908
00:36:24,710 --> 00:36:22,560
storm of circumstance

909
00:36:27,510 --> 00:36:24,720
but it is interesting like will there be

910
00:36:28,470 --> 00:36:27,520
any reprisals if it is classified and if

911
00:36:30,790 --> 00:36:28,480
not

912
00:36:33,589 --> 00:36:30,800
either it means isn't classified meaning

913
00:36:34,950 --> 00:36:33,599
what was it why did they not care or

914
00:36:36,470 --> 00:36:34,960
care

915
00:36:38,870 --> 00:36:36,480
or

916
00:36:41,190 --> 00:36:38,880
yeah there's one problem though is is i

917
00:36:43,589 --> 00:36:41,200
don't know how it works and well i do i

918
00:36:47,349 --> 00:36:43,599
i'm aware that it works pretty similarly

919
00:36:49,109 --> 00:36:47,359
in in the uk but in the united states if

920
00:36:51,349 --> 00:36:49,119
it doesn't matter if it's a 30 year old

921
00:36:53,829 --> 00:36:51,359
photo if it was still classified and you

922
00:36:55,910 --> 00:36:53,839
just gave it to a reporter you'd be in

923
00:36:57,670 --> 00:36:55,920
trouble there would be some

924
00:36:58,550 --> 00:36:57,680
consequences for that

925
00:37:00,870 --> 00:36:58,560
right

926
00:37:02,950 --> 00:37:00,880
we have to consider he he was a he was a

927
00:37:04,950 --> 00:37:02,960
senior information officer so he was he

928
00:37:07,589 --> 00:37:04,960
was pretty high up in the food chain

929
00:37:09,910 --> 00:37:07,599
yeah somewhere somewhere wasn't a nick

930
00:37:12,470 --> 00:37:09,920
pope just answering the phone right he

931
00:37:13,990 --> 00:37:12,480
actually well wasn't nick pope was like

932
00:37:16,470 --> 00:37:14,000
a grade e

933
00:37:18,710 --> 00:37:16,480
where yes the the photograph got sent to

934
00:37:24,870 --> 00:37:18,720
grade a like a2

935
00:37:28,950 --> 00:37:26,790
like as much as he wants to pretend that

936
00:37:32,950 --> 00:37:28,960
he went around chasing monsters in the

937
00:37:37,750 --> 00:37:35,589
don't get me started

938
00:37:40,550 --> 00:37:37,760
i used to look up to you nick i grew up

939
00:37:41,990 --> 00:37:40,560
looking up to you

940
00:37:43,670 --> 00:37:42,000
yeah so

941
00:37:45,910 --> 00:37:43,680
this is this is where it gets a little

942
00:37:49,030 --> 00:37:45,920
interesting for me um

943
00:37:50,710 --> 00:37:49,040
obviously on my uh on the channel i

944
00:37:53,109 --> 00:37:50,720
co-host on that one time i was abducted

945
00:37:54,870 --> 00:37:53,119
by aliens uh if you haven't subscribed

946
00:37:57,109 --> 00:37:54,880
look in the description link below uh

947
00:37:58,550 --> 00:37:57,119
there is a link to the channel i'd love

948
00:37:59,510 --> 00:37:58,560
it if you came over and checked this out

949
00:38:03,750 --> 00:37:59,520
i love

950
00:38:05,829 --> 00:38:03,760
so on thursdays we have a show where we

951
00:38:08,630 --> 00:38:05,839
look at ufo videos and kind of try to do

952
00:38:11,510 --> 00:38:08,640
photogrammetry techniques and analysis

953
00:38:13,589 --> 00:38:11,520
i found these two videos that show

954
00:38:16,710 --> 00:38:13,599
similar craft to the one described at

955
00:38:16,720 --> 00:38:24,230
and it's very very interesting

956
00:38:24,240 --> 00:38:42,870
it kind of blew my mind a little bit

957
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:46,870
what do you think

958
00:38:51,109 --> 00:38:49,190
what what do i think of what

959
00:38:54,069 --> 00:38:51,119
so these craft uh resemble the

960
00:38:56,230 --> 00:38:54,079
description and the image that has just

961
00:38:57,829 --> 00:38:56,240
been released of the craft and it's very

962
00:39:02,550 --> 00:38:57,839
similar

963
00:39:07,589 --> 00:39:05,349
can you play it again is this a video or

964
00:39:09,829 --> 00:39:07,599
yeah yeah i just uh froze them for

965
00:39:11,750 --> 00:39:09,839
freeze frames okay

966
00:39:13,990 --> 00:39:11,760
yeah because i'm trying to see if it has

967
00:39:15,829 --> 00:39:14,000
the same tail that's pretty distinctive

968
00:39:17,430 --> 00:39:15,839
right

969
00:39:19,750 --> 00:39:17,440
it might be a different orientation

970
00:39:21,349 --> 00:39:19,760
though so like if it's a diamond oh yeah

971
00:39:22,310 --> 00:39:21,359
yeah but it is interesting that people

972
00:39:23,270 --> 00:39:22,320
are seeing

973
00:39:25,030 --> 00:39:23,280
but then

974
00:39:27,109 --> 00:39:25,040
you have to remember too that these are

975
00:39:28,470 --> 00:39:27,119
diamond shaped crafts so that's pretty

976
00:39:29,990 --> 00:39:28,480
generic shape

977
00:39:31,750 --> 00:39:30,000
but it is interesting that there's

978
00:39:34,150 --> 00:39:31,760
multiple sightings of diamond shaped

979
00:39:36,470 --> 00:39:34,160
craft that appeared to look very very

980
00:39:39,589 --> 00:39:36,480
similar to the ones in this photo

981
00:39:42,230 --> 00:39:39,599
but unfortunately there are some proven

982
00:39:43,190 --> 00:39:42,240
hoax photos of very similar craft as

983
00:39:46,150 --> 00:39:43,200
well

984
00:39:47,750 --> 00:39:46,160
i remember i sent you one that's uh

985
00:39:49,349 --> 00:39:47,760
i'm going to share it on my twitter we

986
00:39:50,230 --> 00:39:49,359
could share it later but

987
00:39:52,630 --> 00:39:50,240
um

988
00:39:54,790 --> 00:39:52,640
there was one taken in puerto rico that

989
00:39:57,109 --> 00:39:54,800
was an absolute

990
00:40:00,310 --> 00:39:57,119
later proven hoax you know the person

991
00:40:02,870 --> 00:40:00,320
that hoaxed it came out later and and

992
00:40:05,589 --> 00:40:02,880
told how they hoaxed it and that was a

993
00:40:09,109 --> 00:40:05,599
pretty famous photo for a while amari

994
00:40:10,870 --> 00:40:09,119
rivera photos 1988 taken in puerto rico

995
00:40:12,550 --> 00:40:10,880
you can google that but we'll share it

996
00:40:13,589 --> 00:40:12,560
later

997
00:40:14,870 --> 00:40:13,599
yeah

998
00:40:16,710 --> 00:40:14,880
i know what photograph you're talking

999
00:40:18,870 --> 00:40:16,720
about that's the one that uh

1000
00:40:20,870 --> 00:40:18,880
led david clarke to believe that the

1001
00:40:23,109 --> 00:40:20,880
whole thing was a hoax

1002
00:40:25,670 --> 00:40:23,119
yes until this photograph came out and

1003
00:40:27,910 --> 00:40:25,680
he actually made some comments today um

1004
00:40:30,230 --> 00:40:27,920
uh a researcher in the field called

1005
00:40:33,589 --> 00:40:30,240
charlie wiser was

1006
00:40:36,069 --> 00:40:33,599
asking him some pretty hard questions um

1007
00:40:37,270 --> 00:40:36,079
and asked him why why the flip-flop why

1008
00:40:39,270 --> 00:40:37,280
say that he thought he was a hoax and

1009
00:40:40,710 --> 00:40:39,280
then suddenly he believes it and

1010
00:40:43,349 --> 00:40:40,720
he had the very

1011
00:40:45,589 --> 00:40:43,359
good response of i'm able to change my

1012
00:40:47,510 --> 00:40:45,599
mind when given new data which i think

1013
00:40:49,829 --> 00:40:47,520
is important that's a healthy way to do

1014
00:40:51,349 --> 00:40:49,839
it yeah it's a very healthy way to do it

1015
00:40:55,349 --> 00:40:51,359
um

1016
00:40:59,910 --> 00:40:55,359
yeah so those things look very similar

1017
00:41:03,589 --> 00:41:01,829
and that's the end of my presentation

1018
00:41:05,270 --> 00:41:03,599
everybody it's an evolving mystery i

1019
00:41:07,430 --> 00:41:05,280
hope we can all get to the bottom of it

1020
00:41:09,910 --> 00:41:07,440
together um

1021
00:41:11,829 --> 00:41:09,920
true or not whatever the whatever the

1022
00:41:14,150 --> 00:41:11,839
facts lead us to

1023
00:41:15,910 --> 00:41:14,160
let's do it together with an open mind

1024
00:41:18,230 --> 00:41:15,920
and

1025
00:41:20,550 --> 00:41:18,240
yeah i know that's real hard i know it's

1026
00:41:22,150 --> 00:41:20,560
hard for people sometimes

1027
00:41:25,990 --> 00:41:22,160
but we can do it

1028
00:41:29,109 --> 00:41:27,670
so what do you think stephen

1029
00:41:29,750 --> 00:41:29,119
i'm interested in what you think about

1030
00:41:31,190 --> 00:41:29,760
it

1031
00:41:32,710 --> 00:41:31,200
here's what i'm going to do i'm going to

1032
00:41:34,550 --> 00:41:32,720
share my screen and share some of the

1033
00:41:36,710 --> 00:41:34,560
things i just been kind of cherry

1034
00:41:39,430 --> 00:41:36,720
picking and sharing some things on

1035
00:41:42,309 --> 00:41:39,440
twitter but i i think it's important

1036
00:41:44,630 --> 00:41:42,319
that we that we look at both sides of

1037
00:41:46,230 --> 00:41:44,640
of the issue both from a believer's

1038
00:41:47,510 --> 00:41:46,240
standpoint and from

1039
00:41:49,670 --> 00:41:47,520
skeptics

1040
00:41:51,990 --> 00:41:49,680
here's a photo that i found and this is

1041
00:41:55,270 --> 00:41:52,000
a armory

1042
00:41:56,230 --> 00:41:55,280
photo that was taken in 1988 now i

1043
00:41:58,870 --> 00:41:56,240
remember

1044
00:42:00,710 --> 00:41:58,880
this photo specifically because

1045
00:42:02,870 --> 00:42:00,720
this was one of those photos that was

1046
00:42:04,470 --> 00:42:02,880
like wow this is the best photo of the

1047
00:42:05,910 --> 00:42:04,480
ufo ever

1048
00:42:06,790 --> 00:42:05,920
uh kind of like what they said about

1049
00:42:07,750 --> 00:42:06,800
this

1050
00:42:09,910 --> 00:42:07,760
actual

1051
00:42:11,670 --> 00:42:09,920
more real photo but this one later

1052
00:42:14,150 --> 00:42:11,680
turned out to be a hoax created by a

1053
00:42:17,030 --> 00:42:14,160
puerto rican gentleman in 1988 to sell

1054
00:42:18,470 --> 00:42:17,040
the story and to make money so you know

1055
00:42:21,430 --> 00:42:18,480
that that

1056
00:42:23,910 --> 00:42:21,440
when we say oh well well there's other

1057
00:42:26,390 --> 00:42:23,920
similar photos of similar craft have

1058
00:42:32,230 --> 00:42:26,400
been taken but some of those similar

1059
00:42:36,150 --> 00:42:34,069
something like that you can again it's a

1060
00:42:38,390 --> 00:42:36,160
you can prove that the physical artifact

1061
00:42:41,349 --> 00:42:38,400
of the photograph comes from the time

1062
00:42:43,030 --> 00:42:41,359
it's reportedly come from but it

1063
00:42:44,630 --> 00:42:43,040
and it doesn't prove what's in the

1064
00:42:47,030 --> 00:42:44,640
photograph i did mention that some

1065
00:42:48,950 --> 00:42:47,040
people are speculating or you mentioned

1066
00:42:50,870 --> 00:42:48,960
too we both have heard that people are

1067
00:42:53,030 --> 00:42:50,880
speculating this is the tr

1068
00:42:55,270 --> 00:42:53,040
or not the tr-3b i'm sorry that this is

1069
00:42:57,109 --> 00:42:55,280
the legendary aurora

1070
00:42:59,510 --> 00:42:57,119
aircraft because

1071
00:43:01,190 --> 00:42:59,520
but the only image that i'm able to find

1072
00:43:04,550 --> 00:43:01,200
of an aurora

1073
00:43:07,270 --> 00:43:04,560
so-called space plane or next generation

1074
00:43:09,030 --> 00:43:07,280
you know blackbird is came from mark

1075
00:43:10,710 --> 00:43:09,040
mccandlish around the same time this

1076
00:43:13,829 --> 00:43:10,720
photo was taken

1077
00:43:15,990 --> 00:43:13,839
and uh this shows this diamond shaped

1078
00:43:18,710 --> 00:43:16,000
hypersonic via vehicle

1079
00:43:21,910 --> 00:43:18,720
uh but that's that's very interesting

1080
00:43:23,510 --> 00:43:21,920
it looks pretty this is that

1081
00:43:25,670 --> 00:43:23,520
is that like uh

1082
00:43:28,470 --> 00:43:25,680
an electric gravity craft

1083
00:43:30,390 --> 00:43:28,480
kind of defies our known laws of physics

1084
00:43:31,349 --> 00:43:30,400
or is it no but i think that the way

1085
00:43:44,950 --> 00:43:31,359
that

1086
00:43:47,109 --> 00:43:44,960
air comes in these front inlets and then

1087
00:43:48,870 --> 00:43:47,119
it's it's shot out at hypersonic

1088
00:43:50,950 --> 00:43:48,880
velocity somehow and it uses some kind

1089
00:43:52,309 --> 00:43:50,960
of exotic uh

1090
00:43:54,630 --> 00:43:52,319
ram jet

1091
00:43:57,190 --> 00:43:54,640
uh that pulses that's why people have

1092
00:44:00,069 --> 00:43:57,200
seen contrails that are like puff puff

1093
00:44:01,910 --> 00:44:00,079
puff puff puff right as it's pulsing the

1094
00:44:04,069 --> 00:44:01,920
engine um

1095
00:44:05,430 --> 00:44:04,079
but i think it's important to note that

1096
00:44:09,829 --> 00:44:05,440
these

1097
00:44:12,230 --> 00:44:09,839
second-hand account from somebody he

1098
00:44:14,150 --> 00:44:12,240
claimed saw it we don't know

1099
00:44:16,550 --> 00:44:14,160
you know uh but it is interesting that

1100
00:44:18,150 --> 00:44:16,560
it does look exactly

1101
00:44:20,870 --> 00:44:18,160
some people would say it does look very

1102
00:44:23,430 --> 00:44:20,880
similar mark mccann's what's the point

1103
00:44:26,470 --> 00:44:25,190
yeah and then uh

1104
00:44:28,630 --> 00:44:26,480
here's something else that i'm going to

1105
00:44:31,349 --> 00:44:28,640
share that i think is important this

1106
00:44:34,309 --> 00:44:31,359
explanation that it is a i have a real

1107
00:44:36,710 --> 00:44:34,319
problem with this photo because

1108
00:44:39,109 --> 00:44:36,720
if it was truly taken where was supposed

1109
00:44:40,790 --> 00:44:39,119
to be taken and people have pinpointed

1110
00:44:42,870 --> 00:44:40,800
the exact spot

1111
00:44:45,990 --> 00:44:42,880
um that this photograph was supposed to

1112
00:44:48,390 --> 00:44:46,000
be taken and vantage point then in the

1113
00:44:49,910 --> 00:44:48,400
photo we should see

1114
00:44:51,910 --> 00:44:49,920
the mountains we should see the

1115
00:44:53,829 --> 00:44:51,920
landscape underneath it and we don't see

1116
00:44:56,550 --> 00:44:53,839
anything it's just white

1117
00:44:57,670 --> 00:44:56,560
and that to me indicates that this photo

1118
00:45:00,550 --> 00:44:57,680
was taken

1119
00:45:02,630 --> 00:45:00,560
under extreme foggy conditions somehow

1120
00:45:04,950 --> 00:45:02,640
and that the background is obscured you

1121
00:45:07,270 --> 00:45:04,960
don't see anything from the background

1122
00:45:10,069 --> 00:45:07,280
of where it was actually taken

1123
00:45:11,670 --> 00:45:10,079
and so somebody has done this and we're

1124
00:45:13,750 --> 00:45:11,680
going to share screen here as well and

1125
00:45:15,670 --> 00:45:13,760
site fair use as well

1126
00:45:17,349 --> 00:45:15,680
this is a transformative work we're just

1127
00:45:19,670 --> 00:45:17,359
educating the public about what people

1128
00:45:20,630 --> 00:45:19,680
are talking about on this

1129
00:45:22,470 --> 00:45:20,640
issue

1130
00:45:24,710 --> 00:45:22,480
but here

1131
00:45:27,829 --> 00:45:24,720
is the original photo and it's been

1132
00:45:29,510 --> 00:45:27,839
superimposed on the exact location that

1133
00:45:32,390 --> 00:45:29,520
the photo was supposed to be taken

1134
00:45:33,829 --> 00:45:32,400
matched up as closely as possible

1135
00:45:37,190 --> 00:45:33,839
and uh

1136
00:45:40,470 --> 00:45:37,200
here we see that the the photograph

1137
00:45:41,910 --> 00:45:40,480
once the fog is lifted may indeed be the

1138
00:45:45,670 --> 00:45:41,920
top of the mountain

1139
00:45:48,470 --> 00:45:45,680
and i can't say that i can disprove that

1140
00:45:49,990 --> 00:45:48,480
the fact that it matches exactly so

1141
00:45:51,750 --> 00:45:50,000
closely here

1142
00:45:55,910 --> 00:45:51,760
is is

1143
00:45:58,390 --> 00:45:55,920
uncanny to me you know so

1144
00:46:01,430 --> 00:45:58,400
for me is that the harrier jet would not

1145
00:46:02,870 --> 00:46:01,440
be flying that low yes you're absolutely

1146
00:46:05,589 --> 00:46:02,880
right

1147
00:46:08,630 --> 00:46:05,599
that's very very low yeah i thought

1148
00:46:10,309 --> 00:46:08,640
that is the navy aviation expert would a

1149
00:46:12,230 --> 00:46:10,319
harrier jeff be flying that low over

1150
00:46:18,069 --> 00:46:12,240
land and he said probably not that would

1151
00:46:22,710 --> 00:46:20,309
this is like a farmland uh sort of

1152
00:46:25,190 --> 00:46:22,720
residential area they don't just fly jet

1153
00:46:27,589 --> 00:46:25,200
aircraft super low to the ground in a

1154
00:46:30,069 --> 00:46:27,599
residential area that would be dangerous

1155
00:46:32,309 --> 00:46:30,079
but they have specific like there's

1156
00:46:34,069 --> 00:46:32,319
something called the mac loop where they

1157
00:46:36,230 --> 00:46:34,079
it's up in scotland in these kind of

1158
00:46:38,150 --> 00:46:36,240
valleys where they

1159
00:46:42,309 --> 00:46:38,160
it's where they do like the low altitude

1160
00:46:45,589 --> 00:46:42,319
duck diving weaving training and they

1161
00:46:48,309 --> 00:46:45,599
don't go below like 500 feet

1162
00:46:51,109 --> 00:46:48,319
whereas in this this photograph to me

1163
00:46:53,190 --> 00:46:51,119
like that that plane would be a hundred

1164
00:46:55,990 --> 00:46:53,200
feet in the air

1165
00:46:57,030 --> 00:46:56,000
and also at that scale like it just it

1166
00:47:01,270 --> 00:46:57,040
doesn't

1167
00:47:03,270 --> 00:47:01,280
compelling like the shape

1168
00:47:05,910 --> 00:47:03,280
is compelling but i i honestly i think

1169
00:47:07,910 --> 00:47:05,920
it's a case of the camera being tilted

1170
00:47:08,710 --> 00:47:07,920
so like

1171
00:47:10,950 --> 00:47:08,720
up

1172
00:47:12,390 --> 00:47:10,960
if yeah you're not actually getting if

1173
00:47:15,030 --> 00:47:12,400
you if you notice the

1174
00:47:17,750 --> 00:47:15,040
bottom left right bottom left corner the

1175
00:47:20,790 --> 00:47:17,760
fact that this matches so exactly though

1176
00:47:22,950 --> 00:47:20,800
to the it is interesting

1177
00:47:25,670 --> 00:47:22,960
it could undo the whole thing i realized

1178
00:47:27,589 --> 00:47:25,680
i have something that i i forgot to show

1179
00:47:30,069 --> 00:47:27,599
i think it's it'll be cool for american

1180
00:47:32,470 --> 00:47:30,079
people to see like this is a

1181
00:47:33,829 --> 00:47:32,480
this is kind of a historical thing

1182
00:47:40,710 --> 00:47:33,839
it was in

1183
00:47:46,549 --> 00:47:44,230
i have a physical copy of the image

1184
00:47:47,910 --> 00:47:46,559
that i can blur yeah

1185
00:47:49,510 --> 00:47:47,920
so it's

1186
00:47:51,349 --> 00:47:49,520
it's cool to have something like this

1187
00:47:53,589 --> 00:47:51,359
big that i can be like oh i've got a

1188
00:47:56,309 --> 00:47:53,599
thing i can hold in my hand

1189
00:47:58,790 --> 00:47:56,319
yeah that is cool actually it it's kind

1190
00:48:00,230 --> 00:47:58,800
of like if this is real

1191
00:48:03,430 --> 00:48:00,240
20 years from now we'll look back on

1192
00:48:05,190 --> 00:48:03,440
this like the moon landing paper

1193
00:48:06,630 --> 00:48:05,200
and i thought hey that would be a cool

1194
00:48:08,470 --> 00:48:06,640
thing to have

1195
00:48:09,829 --> 00:48:08,480
cool story to tell

1196
00:48:12,150 --> 00:48:09,839
because like like i said on the other

1197
00:48:14,230 --> 00:48:12,160
stream uh the the

1198
00:48:15,670 --> 00:48:14,240
half a million celebration stream

1199
00:48:16,870 --> 00:48:15,680
what are people gonna remember in five

1200
00:48:18,470 --> 00:48:16,880
years

1201
00:48:19,829 --> 00:48:18,480
are they gonna remember

1202
00:48:21,270 --> 00:48:19,839
what happened on twitter are they going

1203
00:48:23,190 --> 00:48:21,280
to remember

1204
00:48:25,349 --> 00:48:23,200
stories like this

1205
00:48:26,710 --> 00:48:25,359
yes along the way

1206
00:48:30,069 --> 00:48:26,720
to

1207
00:48:32,069 --> 00:48:30,079
people that wouldn't otherwise be able

1208
00:48:33,829 --> 00:48:32,079
to access it there's something else that

1209
00:48:35,910 --> 00:48:33,839
i would like to share because somebody

1210
00:48:37,990 --> 00:48:35,920
sent me sort of a you know i said hey it

1211
00:48:40,150 --> 00:48:38,000
very well could be a mountain obscured

1212
00:48:42,790 --> 00:48:40,160
by fog in the distance we we just don't

1213
00:48:44,710 --> 00:48:42,800
know and somebody said that's ridiculous

1214
00:48:46,870 --> 00:48:44,720
that would never happen

1215
00:48:49,430 --> 00:48:46,880
you know you that just

1216
00:48:52,870 --> 00:48:49,440
that theory is garbage

1217
00:48:55,510 --> 00:48:52,880
but um i have found i found 10 honestly

1218
00:48:58,710 --> 00:48:55,520
examples of of things

1219
00:49:02,069 --> 00:48:58,720
that look very strange in a in a foggy

1220
00:49:02,870 --> 00:49:02,079
situation and here's one of them

1221
00:49:04,069 --> 00:49:02,880
that

1222
00:49:06,870 --> 00:49:04,079
lighthouse

1223
00:49:10,150 --> 00:49:06,880
all but vanished in the fog

1224
00:49:12,950 --> 00:49:10,160
just as in this photograph it may it may

1225
00:49:15,349 --> 00:49:12,960
be that the entire landscape and

1226
00:49:17,589 --> 00:49:15,359
background is obscured by the fog except

1227
00:49:19,109 --> 00:49:17,599
for the very tip of the

1228
00:49:20,630 --> 00:49:19,119
of the high school that's very

1229
00:49:23,109 --> 00:49:20,640
interesting the way that the

1230
00:49:26,150 --> 00:49:23,119
atmospherics is working there it's

1231
00:49:29,030 --> 00:49:26,160
yeah because you you it's like looking

1232
00:49:30,710 --> 00:49:29,040
up upper ramp of fog towards because

1233
00:49:33,910 --> 00:49:30,720
obviously the focal point of the the

1234
00:49:35,670 --> 00:49:33,920
image is the top of the lighthouse so

1235
00:49:37,910 --> 00:49:35,680
it's obscuring the actual water line

1236
00:49:38,790 --> 00:49:37,920
which is that's a very interesting image

1237
00:49:42,150 --> 00:49:38,800
yeah

1238
00:49:44,069 --> 00:49:42,160
try and guess where the water line is

1239
00:49:45,990 --> 00:49:44,079
yeah i thought that was pretty good the

1240
00:49:47,829 --> 00:49:46,000
situation

1241
00:49:50,549 --> 00:49:47,839
that's a good example of it yeah and

1242
00:49:52,549 --> 00:49:50,559
then we have v uh shared something that

1243
00:49:55,190 --> 00:49:52,559
i thought well it could be that as well

1244
00:49:57,589 --> 00:49:55,200
see this is where where it gets it gets

1245
00:49:59,910 --> 00:49:57,599
you know you start going yeah you know

1246
00:50:01,670 --> 00:49:59,920
you can't really eliminate possibilities

1247
00:50:04,630 --> 00:50:01,680
this is lockheed's

1248
00:50:07,109 --> 00:50:04,640
uh hopeless diamond and it is one of the

1249
00:50:09,430 --> 00:50:07,119
lockheed's gun works projects

1250
00:50:12,710 --> 00:50:09,440
shout out to vanessa yeah shout out to

1251
00:50:15,589 --> 00:50:12,720
vanessa v this is uh

1252
00:50:17,510 --> 00:50:15,599
one of those could be you know who knows

1253
00:50:18,950 --> 00:50:17,520
that's that's an interesting one that

1254
00:50:20,870 --> 00:50:18,960
looks like something that's the body

1255
00:50:23,270 --> 00:50:20,880
aerospace would design

1256
00:50:25,109 --> 00:50:23,280
if we were to speculate however why

1257
00:50:27,990 --> 00:50:25,119
would the british government cover up

1258
00:50:30,710 --> 00:50:28,000
this photograph what if it was

1259
00:50:33,030 --> 00:50:30,720
u.s technology but why would they be

1260
00:50:36,150 --> 00:50:33,040
testing top secret u.s technology over

1261
00:50:37,030 --> 00:50:36,160
farms in scotland right or you know

1262
00:50:39,030 --> 00:50:37,040
well

1263
00:50:42,309 --> 00:50:39,040
i don't know but if they were and

1264
00:50:44,790 --> 00:50:42,319
somebody photograph it they would they

1265
00:50:46,790 --> 00:50:44,800
would seize the negatives they would

1266
00:50:48,150 --> 00:50:46,800
tell everybody to shut up and not talk

1267
00:50:49,510 --> 00:50:48,160
about it right

1268
00:50:51,109 --> 00:50:49,520
if they were going to test it anywhere

1269
00:50:53,270 --> 00:50:51,119
they test it out there where there's

1270
00:50:54,710 --> 00:50:53,280
there's just in terms of population

1271
00:50:57,109 --> 00:50:54,720
density it's

1272
00:50:59,030 --> 00:50:57,119
far less people there's still people out

1273
00:51:00,390 --> 00:50:59,040
there but like i guess most of the time

1274
00:51:01,510 --> 00:51:00,400
they do it at night i mean there's a lot

1275
00:51:03,190 --> 00:51:01,520
of flight training out there with the

1276
00:51:04,390 --> 00:51:03,200
mac loop and all the air force bases

1277
00:51:05,829 --> 00:51:04,400
because

1278
00:51:07,109 --> 00:51:05,839
uh they're on like that's where the

1279
00:51:09,510 --> 00:51:07,119
ready alert

1280
00:51:11,270 --> 00:51:09,520
squadrons are in case russia decides hey

1281
00:51:12,790 --> 00:51:11,280
we don't like england anymore we're

1282
00:51:15,190 --> 00:51:12,800
going to invade

1283
00:51:17,589 --> 00:51:15,200
so the all these back then you know is

1284
00:51:20,390 --> 00:51:17,599
the end of the cold war so they had

1285
00:51:22,630 --> 00:51:20,400
these like 24 7 alert squadrons

1286
00:51:23,910 --> 00:51:22,640
up in scotland where

1287
00:51:25,750 --> 00:51:23,920
they did all the flight training at the

1288
00:51:29,190 --> 00:51:25,760
same time so the fact that there was a

1289
00:51:31,670 --> 00:51:29,200
jet flying by isn't that unusual

1290
00:51:33,670 --> 00:51:31,680
uh maybe the exactly where the route

1291
00:51:35,270 --> 00:51:33,680
that the jet took might have been a bit

1292
00:51:37,750 --> 00:51:35,280
strange and maybe it was a confluence of

1293
00:51:39,190 --> 00:51:37,760
events where that pilot chose to fly a

1294
00:51:41,190 --> 00:51:39,200
different way that day and happened to

1295
00:51:42,549 --> 00:51:41,200
see the you know the floating object i

1296
00:51:44,150 --> 00:51:42,559
don't know

1297
00:51:45,829 --> 00:51:44,160
it's interesting

1298
00:51:49,190 --> 00:51:45,839
i'd be interested to find out if that

1299
00:51:50,549 --> 00:51:49,200
location is on a regular flight path

1300
00:51:52,790 --> 00:51:50,559
that would be an interesting question to

1301
00:51:54,790 --> 00:51:52,800
answer i think

1302
00:51:57,190 --> 00:51:54,800
yeah yeah

1303
00:51:59,910 --> 00:51:57,200
uh how are people in the chat doing

1304
00:52:02,470 --> 00:51:59,920
yeah that's what do you think

1305
00:52:04,790 --> 00:52:02,480
let's do a poll you if we go to youtube

1306
00:52:07,670 --> 00:52:04,800
you can do a poll yes or no

1307
00:52:09,670 --> 00:52:07,680
do you think is real yes or no

1308
00:52:15,270 --> 00:52:09,680
i'll create a poll uh and the question

1309
00:52:17,670 --> 00:52:15,280
will ask is is this a real ufo or

1310
00:52:18,470 --> 00:52:17,680
or something else right is that good i

1311
00:52:20,870 --> 00:52:18,480
guess

1312
00:52:23,670 --> 00:52:20,880
yeah yeah it's just a yes or no let's

1313
00:52:25,990 --> 00:52:23,680
let's gauge where people are

1314
00:52:28,069 --> 00:52:26,000
yeah let's uh

1315
00:52:30,829 --> 00:52:28,079
let's see what people think and i will

1316
00:52:35,030 --> 00:52:30,839
pin that in in the in the

1317
00:52:37,190 --> 00:52:35,040
chat bro uh i i guess i don't have to

1318
00:52:38,630 --> 00:52:37,200
so yeah you guys can uh

1319
00:52:40,630 --> 00:52:38,640
you guys can

1320
00:52:43,109 --> 00:52:40,640
chime in and let us know what you think

1321
00:52:44,870 --> 00:52:43,119
i i think that regardless of whatever it

1322
00:52:47,270 --> 00:52:44,880
is it's a great mystery and i love a

1323
00:52:49,190 --> 00:52:47,280
great mystery and i think

1324
00:52:53,430 --> 00:52:49,200
that we're going to get

1325
00:52:55,589 --> 00:52:53,440
if if the arc of stories in ufo land

1326
00:52:56,549 --> 00:52:55,599
that usually happens occurs with this

1327
00:52:58,150 --> 00:52:56,559
photo

1328
00:53:00,309 --> 00:52:58,160
i think we're going to get more

1329
00:53:02,790 --> 00:53:00,319
information in the next several weeks

1330
00:53:04,470 --> 00:53:02,800
people are going to dig up more things i

1331
00:53:07,030 --> 00:53:04,480
hope so

1332
00:53:08,710 --> 00:53:07,040
we might get some definitive answers to

1333
00:53:10,470 --> 00:53:08,720
what exactly it is

1334
00:53:13,990 --> 00:53:10,480
you know and i also did see people

1335
00:53:16,230 --> 00:53:14,000
posting uh a kite it could be a kite if

1336
00:53:18,470 --> 00:53:16,240
it was close and and people were very

1337
00:53:20,950 --> 00:53:18,480
quickly dismissing that but people found

1338
00:53:23,430 --> 00:53:20,960
a kite that looks very very similar and

1339
00:53:27,270 --> 00:53:23,440
if this was closer to the camera

1340
00:53:32,630 --> 00:53:30,230
the lack of uh

1341
00:53:35,430 --> 00:53:32,640
with the jet and and the object we don't

1342
00:53:36,790 --> 00:53:35,440
know which one is closer we can we can

1343
00:53:40,309 --> 00:53:36,800
imply

1344
00:53:43,270 --> 00:53:40,319
that the jet is closer than the craft

1345
00:53:45,670 --> 00:53:43,280
but we don't know we don't know for sure

1346
00:53:48,230 --> 00:53:45,680
we can't say yes or no i'm going to be

1347
00:53:50,470 --> 00:53:48,240
very clear in that i'm not i i'm not

1348
00:53:52,710 --> 00:53:50,480
making any research i'm not doing

1349
00:53:55,270 --> 00:53:52,720
research by proclamation telling you

1350
00:53:57,430 --> 00:53:55,280
this is a photo because of this i think

1351
00:54:00,230 --> 00:53:57,440
that there's these possibilities and i'm

1352
00:54:01,990 --> 00:54:00,240
still open to most of them now i don't

1353
00:54:05,670 --> 00:54:02,000
think it's a reflection

1354
00:54:07,750 --> 00:54:05,680
um and i i did some work to determine no

1355
00:54:09,829 --> 00:54:07,760
it couldn't the top and bottom have like

1356
00:54:11,910 --> 00:54:09,839
you said there's different lighting the

1357
00:54:13,990 --> 00:54:11,920
different gray scale there so it

1358
00:54:17,109 --> 00:54:14,000
couldn't be it would be the same if it

1359
00:54:19,829 --> 00:54:17,119
was a reflection or very very similar

1360
00:54:21,430 --> 00:54:19,839
so you know but could it be a kite sure

1361
00:54:23,349 --> 00:54:21,440
if it was close to the camera could it

1362
00:54:26,069 --> 00:54:23,359
be there's a possibility

1363
00:54:27,030 --> 00:54:26,079
could it be the uh legendary aurora

1364
00:54:31,990 --> 00:54:27,040
space

1365
00:54:35,349 --> 00:54:32,000
next generation stealth

1366
00:54:38,789 --> 00:54:35,359
plane sure sure it could be and it could

1367
00:54:39,910 --> 00:54:38,799
be the top of a mountain obscured by uh

1368
00:54:41,910 --> 00:54:39,920
fog

1369
00:54:42,789 --> 00:54:41,920
sure especially considering these people

1370
00:54:44,630 --> 00:54:42,799
said

1371
00:54:46,950 --> 00:54:44,640
that it uh

1372
00:54:48,710 --> 00:54:46,960
that it would for 10 minutes and then

1373
00:54:50,230 --> 00:54:48,720
went straight up they could have got the

1374
00:54:51,589 --> 00:54:50,240
impression that it went straight up when

1375
00:54:54,309 --> 00:54:51,599
it was simply

1376
00:54:58,870 --> 00:54:54,319
obscured by more fog that rolled in we

1377
00:55:03,109 --> 00:55:01,109
in that paper report that craig lindsey

1378
00:55:05,109 --> 00:55:03,119
wrote it says at the bottom what the

1379
00:55:08,630 --> 00:55:05,119
weather conditions were

1380
00:55:10,230 --> 00:55:08,640
yeah that's weird too yeah it was a

1381
00:55:12,710 --> 00:55:10,240
i believe it was a

1382
00:55:14,630 --> 00:55:12,720
if i thought let me just get it back up

1383
00:55:16,870 --> 00:55:14,640
so i can be accurate with this because

1384
00:55:18,870 --> 00:55:16,880
we don't do research by proclamation

1385
00:55:20,630 --> 00:55:18,880
anthony says but i still want to believe

1386
00:55:22,710 --> 00:55:20,640
yeah but we're but i'm lazy here because

1387
00:55:23,430 --> 00:55:22,720
i only do a few shows a week though you

1388
00:55:25,030 --> 00:55:23,440
know

1389
00:55:27,589 --> 00:55:25,040
that's okay

1390
00:55:29,829 --> 00:55:27,599
it's better than doing too many shows

1391
00:55:33,030 --> 00:55:29,839
yeah too many shitty shows weather

1392
00:55:35,270 --> 00:55:33,040
information main cloud base at 25 000

1393
00:55:37,510 --> 00:55:35,280
feet dropping down to 15 000 feet during

1394
00:55:40,230 --> 00:55:37,520
showers wind out of the west southwest

1395
00:55:42,309 --> 00:55:40,240
at 10 to 15 knots temperature 14 degrees

1396
00:55:45,829 --> 00:55:42,319
occasional showers

1397
00:55:47,750 --> 00:55:45,839
that's not weather conducive for fog

1398
00:55:50,069 --> 00:55:47,760
unless it was a heavy temperature

1399
00:55:51,910 --> 00:55:50,079
inversion in in the valley but

1400
00:55:53,670 --> 00:55:51,920
yeah i know that you've had experience

1401
00:55:56,710 --> 00:55:53,680
with weather but from looking at that

1402
00:55:59,829 --> 00:55:56,720
photograph i mean there's no background

1403
00:56:02,789 --> 00:55:59,839
it's all obscured by

1404
00:56:05,589 --> 00:56:02,799
i can only assume that's fog or cloud

1405
00:56:07,990 --> 00:56:05,599
cover or something that's obscuring the

1406
00:56:10,549 --> 00:56:08,000
entire background

1407
00:56:12,390 --> 00:56:10,559
um and thank you anthony peterson kind

1408
00:56:13,910 --> 00:56:12,400
of generous two dollars in chat and says

1409
00:56:15,510 --> 00:56:13,920
but i still want to believe so do i

1410
00:56:17,589 --> 00:56:15,520
that's why i'm here

1411
00:56:19,109 --> 00:56:17,599
you know and and uh

1412
00:56:19,910 --> 00:56:19,119
to be so i'm going to share my screen

1413
00:56:22,470 --> 00:56:19,920
again

1414
00:56:24,390 --> 00:56:22,480
i hope it's a real alien spaceship that

1415
00:56:25,990 --> 00:56:24,400
would be awesome

1416
00:56:27,510 --> 00:56:26,000
so i'm sure

1417
00:56:29,990 --> 00:56:27,520
i just want to show you something that i

1418
00:56:33,670 --> 00:56:30,000
think a lot of people have missed oh one

1419
00:56:37,349 --> 00:56:35,589
okay and

1420
00:56:38,230 --> 00:56:37,359
there we go

1421
00:56:40,789 --> 00:56:38,240
so

1422
00:56:42,950 --> 00:56:40,799
at the at the bottom here there's

1423
00:56:45,109 --> 00:56:42,960
actually some shadowing along here that

1424
00:56:47,030 --> 00:56:45,119
could actually be the landscape and then

1425
00:56:49,190 --> 00:56:47,040
you've got a cops of like it's

1426
00:56:50,870 --> 00:56:49,200
interesting to note what's at the very

1427
00:56:52,549 --> 00:56:50,880
edge of the bottom of the frame because

1428
00:56:54,870 --> 00:56:52,559
this

1429
00:56:57,030 --> 00:56:54,880
looks like it's terrain here

1430
00:56:59,109 --> 00:56:57,040
so this could be this rain terrain that

1431
00:57:00,950 --> 00:56:59,119
everybody is saying isn't there is it's

1432
00:57:03,270 --> 00:57:00,960
just

1433
00:57:04,870 --> 00:57:03,280
you know

1434
00:57:06,390 --> 00:57:04,880
it could just be far away it's shot on

1435
00:57:09,190 --> 00:57:06,400
black and white

1436
00:57:11,109 --> 00:57:09,200
it could be the it make it just be

1437
00:57:14,150 --> 00:57:11,119
overexposed

1438
00:57:16,390 --> 00:57:14,160
because it's a very bright image

1439
00:57:17,349 --> 00:57:16,400
but i i think yeah i think it's

1440
00:57:19,589 --> 00:57:17,359
well

1441
00:57:22,230 --> 00:57:19,599
there's some crystal hippie saying

1442
00:57:28,069 --> 00:57:22,240
you all need a middle option you

1443
00:57:33,910 --> 00:57:30,870
aliens we have a middle option on

1444
00:57:35,829 --> 00:57:33,920
our tuesday show and on our

1445
00:57:37,750 --> 00:57:35,839
record

1446
00:57:39,990 --> 00:57:37,760
that's part of a threesome that's the

1447
00:57:41,750 --> 00:57:40,000
in the middle right middle

1448
00:57:44,950 --> 00:57:41,760
is like tim paul

1449
00:57:49,750 --> 00:57:47,990
a milk toast someone who's like i don't

1450
00:57:54,470 --> 00:57:49,760
know

1451
00:57:57,109 --> 00:57:54,480
is a great mystery i'm glad that it

1452
00:57:59,430 --> 00:57:57,119
happened i'm glad that this mythological

1453
00:58:02,230 --> 00:57:59,440
photo is finally here for us all to look

1454
00:58:04,549 --> 00:58:02,240
at and talk about and and see what we

1455
00:58:07,910 --> 00:58:04,559
think about it you know right well like

1456
00:58:10,549 --> 00:58:07,920
i said i said this to uh tabri today um

1457
00:58:12,870 --> 00:58:10,559
we went through the the tic tac

1458
00:58:14,710 --> 00:58:12,880
images that came out and then we had the

1459
00:58:16,470 --> 00:58:14,720
government response to it

1460
00:58:18,789 --> 00:58:16,480
it feels like now is the beginning of a

1461
00:58:21,349 --> 00:58:18,799
no like the next phase where there'll be

1462
00:58:24,309 --> 00:58:21,359
a dialogue about this yeah right yeah

1463
00:58:26,230 --> 00:58:24,319
mister blood vessel about normalizing it

1464
00:58:28,710 --> 00:58:26,240
he's saying interview the photographer

1465
00:58:30,710 --> 00:58:28,720
absolutely i would if we knew how to

1466
00:58:32,549 --> 00:58:30,720
everybody do that everybody would and

1467
00:58:34,630 --> 00:58:32,559
also i'd like to interview the pilot of

1468
00:58:36,150 --> 00:58:34,640
the plane but unfortunately

1469
00:58:38,470 --> 00:58:36,160
according to the british government

1470
00:58:40,710 --> 00:58:38,480
there was no military plane activity in

1471
00:58:42,870 --> 00:58:40,720
that area on that day

1472
00:58:44,230 --> 00:58:42,880
and now and that of course doesn't mean

1473
00:58:45,829 --> 00:58:44,240
anything because then people are like

1474
00:58:55,349 --> 00:58:45,839
well if it's a cover-up they're going to

1475
00:59:00,069 --> 00:58:57,349
i believe it's a real picture that was

1476
00:59:02,150 --> 00:59:00,079
found whether what it shows i don't know

1477
00:59:04,630 --> 00:59:02,160
i i also wanted to point out that there

1478
00:59:06,309 --> 00:59:04,640
is another possibility that people are

1479
00:59:07,349 --> 00:59:06,319
uh forgetting

1480
00:59:09,510 --> 00:59:07,359
um

1481
00:59:12,309 --> 00:59:09,520
uh one second i'm going to see if i can

1482
00:59:13,430 --> 00:59:12,319
find it is it david wilcox

1483
00:59:19,109 --> 00:59:13,440
no

1484
00:59:22,230 --> 00:59:19,119
don't i'm very ill prepared for tonight

1485
00:59:23,829 --> 00:59:22,240
but there was another famous ufo photo

1486
00:59:26,150 --> 00:59:23,839
there's another there was another big

1487
00:59:28,390 --> 00:59:26,160
flap about a certain ufo photo that

1488
00:59:30,630 --> 00:59:28,400
looks very similar to this object and do

1489
00:59:33,430 --> 00:59:30,640
you know what it turned out to be

1490
00:59:36,789 --> 00:59:33,440
it turned out to be it turned out to be

1491
00:59:39,349 --> 00:59:36,799
one of those planes that that pulls an

1492
00:59:41,589 --> 00:59:39,359
advertising banner

1493
00:59:44,309 --> 00:59:41,599
and it was diamond shaped it was not a

1494
00:59:45,430 --> 00:59:44,319
straight back and that was the video i

1495
00:59:47,829 --> 00:59:45,440
showed

1496
00:59:50,470 --> 00:59:47,839
i that's the video that people were

1497
00:59:52,230 --> 00:59:50,480
saying was an aircraft

1498
00:59:53,589 --> 00:59:52,240
pulling a banner

1499
00:59:55,829 --> 00:59:53,599
but then when you compare it to the

1500
00:59:57,670 --> 00:59:55,839
photograph and the other video that the

1501
01:00:00,069 --> 00:59:57,680
dark video i showed they are all

1502
01:00:01,829 --> 01:00:00,079
identical so it's like is that actually

1503
01:00:03,670 --> 01:00:01,839
a plane pulling a banner i don't think

1504
01:00:05,750 --> 01:00:03,680
it is because i've never seen a plane

1505
01:00:07,910 --> 01:00:05,760
look like that and it looks just like

1506
01:00:10,390 --> 01:00:07,920
the other videos so like maybe i'm wrong

1507
01:00:13,270 --> 01:00:10,400
maybe i'm just i that's my own bias but

1508
01:00:15,510 --> 01:00:13,280
there is at least one there is at least

1509
01:00:17,829 --> 01:00:15,520
a few ufo photos

1510
01:00:20,710 --> 01:00:17,839
that people report you know said hello

1511
01:00:22,630 --> 01:00:20,720
it's a ufo and it 100

1512
01:00:24,789 --> 01:00:22,640
turned out to be a plane pulling an

1513
01:00:26,309 --> 01:00:24,799
advertising banner and it was diamond

1514
01:00:29,510 --> 01:00:26,319
shaped not

1515
01:00:30,950 --> 01:00:29,520
straight square or whatever that's one

1516
01:00:33,990 --> 01:00:30,960
of the possibilities and the other

1517
01:00:36,230 --> 01:00:34,000
possibility is a dirigible or blimp now

1518
01:00:38,789 --> 01:00:36,240
i know it looks weird it's diamond

1519
01:00:40,710 --> 01:00:38,799
shaped but i can show you examples of

1520
01:00:42,789 --> 01:00:40,720
diamond shaped rather than completely

1521
01:00:45,670 --> 01:00:42,799
rounded as you would normally see

1522
01:00:47,589 --> 01:00:45,680
a dirigible or or blimp

1523
01:00:49,589 --> 01:00:47,599
that's another possibility and one of

1524
01:00:51,510 --> 01:00:49,599
the things that i wanted to mention is

1525
01:00:54,630 --> 01:00:51,520
it's very clear that there's some sort

1526
01:00:57,430 --> 01:00:54,640
of tail fin or tail on this

1527
01:01:00,069 --> 01:00:57,440
whatever it is and if it was a

1528
01:01:02,150 --> 01:01:00,079
damageable or a blimp you would need

1529
01:01:05,190 --> 01:01:02,160
that for stability but i don't

1530
01:01:07,750 --> 01:01:05,200
understand how and you know then again i

1531
01:01:10,950 --> 01:01:07,760
don't know how an alien spacecraft works

1532
01:01:12,789 --> 01:01:10,960
but would they have any the exact same

1533
01:01:15,430 --> 01:01:12,799
tail structure that a

1534
01:01:18,470 --> 01:01:15,440
that a craft needs to fly

1535
01:01:20,870 --> 01:01:18,480
and be aerodynamically stable in our

1536
01:01:23,589 --> 01:01:20,880
atmosphere specifically that doesn't

1537
01:01:24,789 --> 01:01:23,599
make sense to me the tail thin bothers

1538
01:01:27,030 --> 01:01:24,799
me

1539
01:01:30,710 --> 01:01:29,030
it's unlike any other aircraft that's

1540
01:01:31,910 --> 01:01:30,720
what makes it very interesting because

1541
01:01:33,990 --> 01:01:31,920
it's

1542
01:01:35,030 --> 01:01:34,000
in in like the

1543
01:01:37,430 --> 01:01:35,040
other one

1544
01:01:39,349 --> 01:01:37,440
it could be a leaf falling from the tree

1545
01:01:41,190 --> 01:01:39,359
oh no well

1546
01:01:43,030 --> 01:01:41,200
that's not the the tree that's above

1547
01:01:44,549 --> 01:01:43,040
them is not the right kind of thing no

1548
01:01:47,750 --> 01:01:44,559
and we do have to take in mind the

1549
01:01:49,430 --> 01:01:47,760
witness testimony and you know right but

1550
01:01:52,150 --> 01:01:49,440
you know i would really

1551
01:01:53,990 --> 01:01:52,160
say that i i don't think that all of

1552
01:01:54,870 --> 01:01:54,000
this excitement is justified i'm kind of

1553
01:01:57,510 --> 01:01:54,880
like

1554
01:01:59,349 --> 01:01:57,520
let's get more information and also

1555
01:02:01,109 --> 01:01:59,359
i would i think the hype could be done

1556
01:02:03,190 --> 01:02:01,119
away with but i think it's interest it's

1557
01:02:05,990 --> 01:02:03,200
important for to keep asking questions

1558
01:02:08,230 --> 01:02:06,000
and doing the research but don't hype it

1559
01:02:10,150 --> 01:02:08,240
yeah well you know that your believers

1560
01:02:12,150 --> 01:02:10,160
are already hyping it and they're

1561
01:02:14,069 --> 01:02:12,160
arguing with people you don't know what

1562
01:02:15,990 --> 01:02:14,079
you're talking about it can't be that

1563
01:02:18,870 --> 01:02:16,000
what you're saying and yes it could it

1564
01:02:20,870 --> 01:02:18,880
could be anything i really would like to

1565
01:02:22,390 --> 01:02:20,880
uh know more about the people that took

1566
01:02:24,549 --> 01:02:22,400
the photograph because another thing

1567
01:02:26,470 --> 01:02:24,559
that i found a little suspicious is that

1568
01:02:28,230 --> 01:02:26,480
two it's supposed to be chefs right they

1569
01:02:31,270 --> 01:02:28,240
worked all day

1570
01:02:34,630 --> 01:02:31,280
and then they decided to take a hike

1571
01:02:38,230 --> 01:02:36,390
came up with an interesting explanation

1572
01:02:40,230 --> 01:02:38,240
for that you work in a restaurant all

1573
01:02:42,069 --> 01:02:40,240
day it's nine o'clock at night you

1574
01:02:43,430 --> 01:02:42,079
finish work you're right car

1575
01:02:44,789 --> 01:02:43,440
gonna go out for you know it's nice

1576
01:02:47,270 --> 01:02:44,799
sunset i wanna go out for a walk in the

1577
01:02:49,430 --> 01:02:47,280
woods smoke a joint just to have a

1578
01:02:50,870 --> 01:02:49,440
stressful day i can't smoke weed they're

1579
01:02:52,150 --> 01:02:50,880
all around people so let's go out into

1580
01:02:54,069 --> 01:02:52,160
nature and to make a joint and look at

1581
01:02:56,069 --> 01:02:54,079
the view and they've got a camera you

1582
01:02:58,710 --> 01:02:56,079
must have never worked in a restaurant

1583
01:03:00,150 --> 01:02:58,720
because everybody oh no

1584
01:03:02,069 --> 01:03:00,160
they would smoke

1585
01:03:03,990 --> 01:03:02,079
yeah you had to do it during the break

1586
01:03:05,270 --> 01:03:04,000
but you could smoke pot right whatever

1587
01:03:06,710 --> 01:03:05,280
else you wanted that's what i mean they

1588
01:03:08,150 --> 01:03:06,720
could have just they could have just

1589
01:03:10,630 --> 01:03:08,160
afterwards been like oh let's go for a

1590
01:03:12,549 --> 01:03:10,640
smart i mean i'm yeah this is conjecture

1591
01:03:14,309 --> 01:03:12,559
i don't know what they were doing but

1592
01:03:16,069 --> 01:03:14,319
i'm trying to think of what like why

1593
01:03:17,990 --> 01:03:16,079
would they have just gone out into the

1594
01:03:20,549 --> 01:03:18,000
middle of nowhere

1595
01:03:22,470 --> 01:03:20,559
i mean there's multiple

1596
01:03:25,029 --> 01:03:22,480
reasons why they could have i don't know

1597
01:03:27,349 --> 01:03:25,039
them but it's interesting to speculate

1598
01:03:29,510 --> 01:03:27,359
mr eon says if you lower the brightness

1599
01:03:31,910 --> 01:03:29,520
on the calvin photo you see the terrain

1600
01:03:33,990 --> 01:03:31,920
is carry described yeah but it's it

1601
01:03:36,470 --> 01:03:34,000
doesn't match the photo it looks like

1602
01:03:38,470 --> 01:03:36,480
there's missing things obscured by this

1603
01:03:39,670 --> 01:03:38,480
whiteness it doesn't you see like the

1604
01:03:41,349 --> 01:03:39,680
bottom of

1605
01:03:43,029 --> 01:03:41,359
i don't know i'm gonna i'm gonna work on

1606
01:03:44,789 --> 01:03:43,039
the photo a little bit more

1607
01:03:47,190 --> 01:03:44,799
and and see if i can pull out any

1608
01:03:48,870 --> 01:03:47,200
additional details

1609
01:03:51,750 --> 01:03:48,880
more information comes out if we want to

1610
01:03:53,430 --> 01:03:51,760
do an update we can do it oh yeah yeah

1611
01:03:55,510 --> 01:03:53,440
go over it again

1612
01:03:58,230 --> 01:03:55,520
yeah it's an evolving mystery

1613
01:04:00,549 --> 01:03:58,240
i gotta i gotta ask you and uh why

1614
01:04:02,789 --> 01:04:00,559
bother asking offline but we talked

1615
01:04:04,789 --> 01:04:02,799
about these new overlays and stuff did

1616
01:04:07,109 --> 01:04:04,799
you did you do something for that i

1617
01:04:08,309 --> 01:04:07,119
thought you were going to i did i did do

1618
01:04:11,990 --> 01:04:08,319
one

1619
01:04:13,589 --> 01:04:12,000
okay i i said i did yeah i i did made it

1620
01:04:15,670 --> 01:04:13,599
so it

1621
01:04:17,109 --> 01:04:15,680
it's kind of off topic but we got it's

1622
01:04:19,190 --> 01:04:17,119
like a background

1623
01:04:21,589 --> 01:04:19,200
under the boxes it's got like a little

1624
01:04:23,750 --> 01:04:21,599
it just looks a little cooler yeah yeah

1625
01:04:27,349 --> 01:04:23,760
we're trying to improve our game here

1626
01:04:30,069 --> 01:04:27,359
and and before i told kari no no i'll do

1627
01:04:31,750 --> 01:04:30,079
it and then i failed miserably at it so

1628
01:04:33,510 --> 01:04:31,760
now we're at the point of like just just

1629
01:04:35,750 --> 01:04:33,520
do it because it'll be right if you do

1630
01:04:38,069 --> 01:04:35,760
it it'll be yeah so

1631
01:04:40,470 --> 01:04:38,079
it seems to be the way it goes

1632
01:04:42,710 --> 01:04:40,480
if i if i do it it comes out

1633
01:04:44,069 --> 01:04:42,720
ufo watchdog is here and says it's an

1634
01:04:45,990 --> 01:04:44,079
interesting story

1635
01:04:48,150 --> 01:04:46,000
especially with the mod classification

1636
01:04:50,390 --> 01:04:48,160
the problem is that an analysis based on

1637
01:04:52,630 --> 01:04:50,400
a copy of a copy doesn't need much

1638
01:04:55,589 --> 01:04:52,640
without the negative i agree well

1639
01:04:59,270 --> 01:04:55,599
this guy's guys

1640
01:05:00,230 --> 01:04:59,280
holding up a photocopy of a black and

1641
01:05:03,750 --> 01:05:00,240
white

1642
01:05:06,069 --> 01:05:03,760
photo taken from a copy of a color photo

1643
01:05:08,710 --> 01:05:06,079
so that was the original photocopy back

1644
01:05:10,870 --> 01:05:08,720
in 1990 like that's that's why he's like

1645
01:05:12,630 --> 01:05:10,880
it was a first generation photocopy from

1646
01:05:13,990 --> 01:05:12,640
like

1647
01:05:15,270 --> 01:05:14,000
that that was the original thing that

1648
01:05:17,190 --> 01:05:15,280
was kind of passed around i think it was

1649
01:05:18,549 --> 01:05:17,200
in 1996.

1650
01:05:20,789 --> 01:05:18,559
um

1651
01:05:23,510 --> 01:05:20,799
and then now there's like the new

1652
01:05:25,430 --> 01:05:23,520
there's like a hd

1653
01:05:26,470 --> 01:05:25,440
scanner scan

1654
01:05:27,190 --> 01:05:26,480
of

1655
01:05:33,029 --> 01:05:27,200
the

1656
01:05:34,230 --> 01:05:33,039
so we have a much higher resolution more

1657
01:05:36,069 --> 01:05:34,240
detailed

1658
01:05:38,630 --> 01:05:36,079
version of the of one of the images

1659
01:05:40,870 --> 01:05:38,640
there was six taken

1660
01:05:42,470 --> 01:05:40,880
six sentences i agree with brianna

1661
01:05:43,990 --> 01:05:42,480
i have ran the photo through the

1662
01:05:45,829 --> 01:05:44,000
photoshop

1663
01:05:48,230 --> 01:05:45,839
and i can't make heads or tail of what

1664
01:05:52,710 --> 01:05:48,240
it is myself and brianna is here

1665
01:05:54,630 --> 01:05:52,720
and says cole story all the same yeah

1666
01:05:56,950 --> 01:05:54,640
i have heard about this picture since

1667
01:05:59,670 --> 01:05:56,960
the 1990s i've been here that long

1668
01:06:01,510 --> 01:05:59,680
brianna and uh i always wanted to see

1669
01:06:04,150 --> 01:06:01,520
the photo and see what if

1670
01:06:05,910 --> 01:06:04,160
it led up to the hype and honestly i was

1671
01:06:09,109 --> 01:06:05,920
a little disappointed i mean it's great

1672
01:06:11,190 --> 01:06:09,119
photo but i don't think it it led up to

1673
01:06:13,670 --> 01:06:11,200
the hype because we were shown

1674
01:06:15,990 --> 01:06:13,680
a recreation that was much better than

1675
01:06:18,549 --> 01:06:16,000
the actual photograph but that's bound

1676
01:06:21,270 --> 01:06:18,559
to happen all the cgi

1677
01:06:23,589 --> 01:06:21,280
images that you'll see of

1678
01:06:26,309 --> 01:06:23,599
or cgi videos that you see when people

1679
01:06:29,109 --> 01:06:26,319
fake ufos are usually clearer and better

1680
01:06:30,829 --> 01:06:29,119
and more spectacular than the real stuff

1681
01:06:33,270 --> 01:06:30,839
so i guess that's to be

1682
01:06:34,870 --> 01:06:33,280
expected you know

1683
01:06:37,270 --> 01:06:34,880
well it's it's

1684
01:06:39,270 --> 01:06:37,280
it's always gonna

1685
01:06:40,390 --> 01:06:39,280
dramatize

1686
01:06:42,950 --> 01:06:40,400
uh

1687
01:06:44,069 --> 01:06:42,960
you know exciting imagery is never gonna

1688
01:06:45,750 --> 01:06:44,079
be

1689
01:06:46,870 --> 01:06:45,760
it's never gonna capture the mundane

1690
01:06:48,630 --> 01:06:46,880
it's always going to be like an

1691
01:06:50,870 --> 01:06:48,640
extrapolation of what made it an

1692
01:06:52,789 --> 01:06:50,880
interesting event

1693
01:06:55,109 --> 01:06:52,799
so much like video games like video

1694
01:06:55,829 --> 01:06:55,119
games or movies are an extrapolation of

1695
01:06:57,829 --> 01:06:55,839
like

1696
01:06:58,710 --> 01:06:57,839
base reality and we make it interesting

1697
01:07:01,029 --> 01:06:58,720
because

1698
01:07:03,029 --> 01:07:01,039
reality is boring well yeah that's why

1699
01:07:05,109 --> 01:07:03,039
vr is going to be very is going to be

1700
01:07:06,630 --> 01:07:05,119
very dangerous for people because i can

1701
01:07:07,910 --> 01:07:06,640
envision a future

1702
01:07:10,150 --> 01:07:07,920
where people

1703
01:07:12,150 --> 01:07:10,160
don't want to live in reality they just

1704
01:07:14,950 --> 01:07:12,160
want to stay in that vr world because

1705
01:07:16,950 --> 01:07:14,960
it's better than reality you know and

1706
01:07:17,910 --> 01:07:16,960
that's going to be a problem

1707
01:07:19,990 --> 01:07:17,920
but

1708
01:07:22,789 --> 01:07:20,000
i mean have you ever heard this there's

1709
01:07:25,829 --> 01:07:22,799
a guy a guy literally died playing video

1710
01:07:27,910 --> 01:07:25,839
games because he didn't stop to eat or

1711
01:07:30,470 --> 01:07:27,920
take care of himself like that that's

1712
01:07:32,230 --> 01:07:30,480
what could be ahead of us for vr soon

1713
01:07:33,430 --> 01:07:32,240
you know oh it's gonna happen you're

1714
01:07:35,430 --> 01:07:33,440
gonna you're gonna have all these

1715
01:07:37,109 --> 01:07:35,440
especially these all these shine people

1716
01:07:39,589 --> 01:07:37,119
that don't you know they don't talk to

1717
01:07:40,950 --> 01:07:39,599
anybody they're just gonna

1718
01:07:42,870 --> 01:07:40,960
they're gonna enter into this world

1719
01:07:45,029 --> 01:07:42,880
because in that world they can you know

1720
01:07:47,270 --> 01:07:45,039
be whoever they want

1721
01:07:49,270 --> 01:07:47,280
yeah and people underestimate

1722
01:07:51,670 --> 01:07:49,280
how lonely it is to live by yourself and

1723
01:07:53,589 --> 01:07:51,680
not or have that social interaction with

1724
01:07:55,510 --> 01:07:53,599
people or not go anywhere during the day

1725
01:07:57,510 --> 01:07:55,520
or whatever you know there's a guy near

1726
01:07:58,630 --> 01:07:57,520
my cabin that has a little cabin and i

1727
01:08:00,390 --> 01:07:58,640
mean

1728
01:08:01,990 --> 01:08:00,400
he sees me on my walks and i always stop

1729
01:08:04,309 --> 01:08:02,000
to talk to him because i i could just

1730
01:08:05,510 --> 01:08:04,319
tell the guy is like starved for human

1731
01:08:07,829 --> 01:08:05,520
contact

1732
01:08:10,390 --> 01:08:07,839
you know but what do you think happens

1733
01:08:12,230 --> 01:08:10,400
next with this photo

1734
01:08:14,549 --> 01:08:12,240
is this is this going to be like i think

1735
01:08:16,550 --> 01:08:14,559
it's going to put pressure on i think

1736
01:08:17,829 --> 01:08:16,560
it's going to put pressure on the mod

1737
01:08:19,669 --> 01:08:17,839
to

1738
01:08:21,749 --> 01:08:19,679
release

1739
01:08:23,590 --> 01:08:21,759
what they have

1740
01:08:25,430 --> 01:08:23,600
because it's kind of

1741
01:08:27,510 --> 01:08:25,440
craig lindsay releasing the photo

1742
01:08:30,070 --> 01:08:27,520
through down david clark and dan

1743
01:08:32,070 --> 01:08:30,080
zetastrom it's kind of short-circuited

1744
01:08:34,149 --> 01:08:32,080
any security measures that may be around

1745
01:08:36,309 --> 01:08:34,159
the century and they they have no choice

1746
01:08:38,470 --> 01:08:36,319
but they gotta comment on this now they

1747
01:08:39,910 --> 01:08:38,480
have to they don't

1748
01:08:41,990 --> 01:08:39,920
they can just say it's not not our

1749
01:08:43,669 --> 01:08:42,000
policy to comment on matters that are

1750
01:08:46,070 --> 01:08:43,679
under section 40

1751
01:08:48,709 --> 01:08:46,080
protections and stuff which is probably

1752
01:08:51,430 --> 01:08:48,719
what they're going to say but

1753
01:08:53,110 --> 01:08:51,440
it might it may just be the nudge down

1754
01:08:53,990 --> 01:08:53,120
you know to create the avalanche that we

1755
01:08:56,149 --> 01:08:54,000
need

1756
01:08:58,149 --> 01:08:56,159
especially in this country where nothing

1757
01:08:59,110 --> 01:08:58,159
ever happens ever

1758
01:09:01,269 --> 01:08:59,120
it's just

1759
01:09:02,870 --> 01:09:01,279
it's been stagnant in terms of the

1760
01:09:04,390 --> 01:09:02,880
subject for a long time because it's

1761
01:09:06,149 --> 01:09:04,400
just

1762
01:09:09,269 --> 01:09:06,159
the generally the public here aren't

1763
01:09:10,870 --> 01:09:09,279
very interested because like there's

1764
01:09:12,870 --> 01:09:10,880
there's a lot of real world problems

1765
01:09:14,870 --> 01:09:12,880
going on so there's no i agree there

1766
01:09:16,390 --> 01:09:14,880
yeah it's a bit of a niche thing for

1767
01:09:18,149 --> 01:09:16,400
people but i think

1768
01:09:20,149 --> 01:09:18,159
you know events like having it in the

1769
01:09:23,349 --> 01:09:20,159
saturday paper in the daily mail one of

1770
01:09:25,349 --> 01:09:23,359
the most brought papers in the in the uk

1771
01:09:26,550 --> 01:09:25,359
like regardless of whether it's real or

1772
01:09:28,550 --> 01:09:26,560
not

1773
01:09:31,110 --> 01:09:28,560
it's getting people thinking about the

1774
01:09:32,309 --> 01:09:31,120
subject it's normalizing them to

1775
01:09:34,870 --> 01:09:32,319
information they probably wouldn't have

1776
01:09:37,349 --> 01:09:34,880
had otherwise if say if the publisher

1777
01:09:38,709 --> 01:09:37,359
decided not to publish the story that's

1778
01:09:40,630 --> 01:09:38,719
a couple of hundred thousand people that

1779
01:09:42,789 --> 01:09:40,640
would have never seen that photograph

1780
01:09:44,309 --> 01:09:42,799
especially like a big printout version

1781
01:09:47,189 --> 01:09:44,319
of it where they can really look at it

1782
01:09:49,990 --> 01:09:47,199
so being on the screen

1783
01:09:51,669 --> 01:09:50,000
yeah and by the way the results of our

1784
01:09:54,229 --> 01:09:51,679
poll is that

1785
01:09:56,390 --> 01:09:54,239
we asked is this a real ufo or something

1786
01:09:57,189 --> 01:09:56,400
else yes 41

1787
01:10:00,830 --> 01:09:57,199
no

1788
01:10:03,990 --> 01:10:00,840
59 so i guess we have a pretty skeptical

1789
01:10:06,229 --> 01:10:04,000
crowd yeah two-thirds nearly

1790
01:10:08,310 --> 01:10:06,239
but that's to be expected and hey

1791
01:10:10,550 --> 01:10:08,320
i respect you all for for not thinking

1792
01:10:12,550 --> 01:10:10,560
it's real that's okay like you don't

1793
01:10:13,830 --> 01:10:12,560
have to be convinced by me it's not it's

1794
01:10:15,430 --> 01:10:13,840
i'm not trying to convince you i'm

1795
01:10:17,669 --> 01:10:15,440
trying to look at the data

1796
01:10:19,510 --> 01:10:17,679
what does the data tell me and now

1797
01:10:20,390 --> 01:10:19,520
i'll try and be aware of my biases and

1798
01:10:22,070 --> 01:10:20,400
just

1799
01:10:24,070 --> 01:10:22,080
see you know how the jigsaw goes

1800
01:10:25,910 --> 01:10:24,080
together and just trying to be aware i

1801
01:10:28,310 --> 01:10:25,920
just want to mention that we showed the

1802
01:10:31,510 --> 01:10:28,320
fake puerto rican version of this

1803
01:10:34,550 --> 01:10:31,520
photograph that was done hoaxed in 1998

1804
01:10:39,189 --> 01:10:34,560
and wreaking havoc 215 previous guest on

1805
01:10:40,950 --> 01:10:39,199
our show he said damn puerto ricans

1806
01:10:42,709 --> 01:10:40,960
but he's allowed to do that because he's

1807
01:10:45,270 --> 01:10:42,719
puerto rican yeah

1808
01:10:46,229 --> 01:10:45,280
well you get to pass right yeah he gets

1809
01:10:47,910 --> 01:10:46,239
a pass

1810
01:10:50,630 --> 01:10:47,920
he gets a lot of puerto ricans yeah and

1811
01:10:51,830 --> 01:10:50,640
i can make fun of pasty white dudes

1812
01:10:53,990 --> 01:10:51,840
you know

1813
01:10:55,510 --> 01:10:54,000
that's how it works right we'll take any

1814
01:10:57,430 --> 01:10:55,520
comments or questions for you otherwise

1815
01:10:58,390 --> 01:10:57,440
we're going to wrap things up call it a

1816
01:11:01,030 --> 01:10:58,400
quick one

1817
01:11:02,470 --> 01:11:01,040
i i do have a few more shows i'm hopeful

1818
01:11:04,550 --> 01:11:02,480
that david wilcox is going to come

1819
01:11:06,229 --> 01:11:04,560
through with his hover car update

1820
01:11:09,430 --> 01:11:06,239
because i don't know if you know this

1821
01:11:12,149 --> 01:11:09,440
kari but there's only two months left

1822
01:11:14,229 --> 01:11:12,159
and david wilcock is supposed to have a

1823
01:11:20,149 --> 01:11:14,239
working hovercar prototype to show

1824
01:11:23,189 --> 01:11:21,910
the archangel michaels stopped me from

1825
01:11:26,149 --> 01:11:23,199
releasing it

1826
01:11:28,070 --> 01:11:26,159
ten months ago he said in one year we

1827
01:11:30,070 --> 01:11:28,080
will have a working hover car prototype

1828
01:11:32,870 --> 01:11:30,080
then he sold the course

1829
01:11:34,709 --> 01:11:32,880
claiming that for 333 dollars i will

1830
01:11:36,630 --> 01:11:34,719
teach you the secrets of any gravity and

1831
01:11:37,510 --> 01:11:36,640
free energy and you'll be able to do it

1832
01:11:39,830 --> 01:11:37,520
too

1833
01:11:42,070 --> 01:11:39,840
and by the way alien scientist jeremy

1834
01:11:43,669 --> 01:11:42,080
rice paid him and his friends paid for

1835
01:11:45,270 --> 01:11:43,679
that course and they were like it's all

1836
01:11:47,510 --> 01:11:45,280
nonsense that's already out there on the

1837
01:11:50,550 --> 01:11:47,520
internet nothing new

1838
01:11:52,790 --> 01:11:50,560
and those guys regurgitation

1839
01:11:54,390 --> 01:11:52,800
those guys paid their 333 dollars and

1840
01:11:56,229 --> 01:11:54,400
they're real scientists

1841
01:11:58,870 --> 01:11:56,239
and none of them because they kind of

1842
01:12:01,990 --> 01:11:58,880
split it and i i don't get trouble you

1843
01:12:04,149 --> 01:12:02,000
know so they kind of split the 333 and

1844
01:12:06,709 --> 01:12:04,159
agreed that they'd all watch it and see

1845
01:12:09,110 --> 01:12:06,719
it and none of them have been able to

1846
01:12:10,229 --> 01:12:09,120
create a free energy device or

1847
01:12:57,990 --> 01:12:10,239
a

1848
01:13:01,430 --> 01:12:58,000
no i don't know

1849
01:13:04,790 --> 01:13:02,149
yeah

1850
01:13:06,390 --> 01:13:04,800
i do know that chris pascar has

1851
01:13:07,910 --> 01:13:06,400
promised uh

1852
01:13:11,189 --> 01:13:07,920
you know that he was developing these

1853
01:13:13,030 --> 01:13:11,199
advanced fighter aircraft for 20 more

1854
01:13:14,550 --> 01:13:13,040
years and he has yet to develop his

1855
01:13:20,709 --> 01:13:14,560
amiga

1856
01:13:23,270 --> 01:13:20,719
scams

1857
01:13:25,270 --> 01:13:23,280
right uh and that's a big problem that

1858
01:13:29,110 --> 01:13:25,280
oh and one of the boards one of the

1859
01:13:31,270 --> 01:13:29,120
people yeah one of the board members yes

1860
01:13:33,030 --> 01:13:31,280
one of the board members of the stravati

1861
01:13:35,990 --> 01:13:33,040
aerospace that david wilcock gave all

1862
01:13:39,350 --> 01:13:36,000
his money to i'm confident in saying ran

1863
01:13:41,590 --> 01:13:39,360
an amiga resurgence scam for

1864
01:13:43,510 --> 01:13:41,600
10 or more years promising that they

1865
01:13:45,830 --> 01:13:43,520
were gonna re

1866
01:13:47,830 --> 01:13:45,840
come out with a new version of the amiga

1867
01:13:51,430 --> 01:13:47,840
and a new operating system and it was

1868
01:13:53,910 --> 01:13:51,440
all one big scam look into that

1869
01:13:58,310 --> 01:13:56,229
lost a lot of money we called that man

1870
01:13:59,350 --> 01:13:58,320
silly billy because he was always making

1871
01:14:01,510 --> 01:13:59,360
promises

1872
01:14:04,870 --> 01:14:01,520
and never delivering and i was a huge

1873
01:14:07,990 --> 01:14:04,880
amiga fan as as a child at in fact i

1874
01:14:10,630 --> 01:14:08,000
credit the amiga computer for my entire

1875
01:14:14,149 --> 01:14:10,640
like skill set right now because

1876
01:14:17,030 --> 01:14:14,159
in 1989 before anybody even knew it was

1877
01:14:19,990 --> 01:14:17,040
possible i was doing animations on on an

1878
01:14:23,189 --> 01:14:20,000
amiga computer i was sampling audio and

1879
01:14:24,070 --> 01:14:23,199
making music on an amiga computer uh i

1880
01:14:27,510 --> 01:14:24,080
learned

1881
01:14:30,149 --> 01:14:27,520
graphics we only had 4096 colors but at

1882
01:14:32,709 --> 01:14:30,159
the time pcs had 16.

1883
01:14:34,310 --> 01:14:32,719
so it was so far in advance of every

1884
01:14:35,910 --> 01:14:34,320
other computer reality

1885
01:14:37,510 --> 01:14:35,920
unfortunately i can imagine that being

1886
01:14:39,430 --> 01:14:37,520
like pretty groundbreaking at the time

1887
01:14:42,630 --> 01:14:39,440
like i thought there was no there was no

1888
01:14:46,950 --> 01:14:44,790
computers at the time that was the first

1889
01:14:48,630 --> 01:14:46,960
that had digital sound it was the first

1890
01:14:50,950 --> 01:14:48,640
multitask it was the first that you

1891
01:14:53,510 --> 01:14:50,960
could do animations it was the first

1892
01:14:55,750 --> 01:14:53,520
that you could do video editing it was

1893
01:14:58,390 --> 01:14:55,760
pretty rudimentary like it used some

1894
01:15:00,229 --> 01:14:58,400
kind of switcher with a bunch of vcrs to

1895
01:15:02,950 --> 01:15:00,239
edit the videos together but it was

1896
01:15:04,950 --> 01:15:02,960
called amiga toaster but anyway

1897
01:15:07,830 --> 01:15:04,960
if you've got a guy on your board that

1898
01:15:10,470 --> 01:15:07,840
previously ran technology scams that

1899
01:15:12,470 --> 01:15:10,480
never amounted to a real product and we

1900
01:15:13,750 --> 01:15:12,480
can prove that that happened but i think

1901
01:15:15,110 --> 01:15:13,760
it should be important to note that like

1902
01:15:17,510 --> 01:15:15,120
you just described

1903
01:15:20,630 --> 01:15:17,520
that's what amiga was bill mccabe yeah

1904
01:15:23,030 --> 01:15:20,640
bill mcewen yes so you described what

1905
01:15:24,310 --> 01:15:23,040
the amiga was but

1906
01:15:25,430 --> 01:15:24,320
it might be important for the audience

1907
01:15:27,030 --> 01:15:25,440
to understand

1908
01:15:29,189 --> 01:15:27,040
what they're saying they're doing is

1909
01:15:30,709 --> 01:15:29,199
making a new version of that and then

1910
01:15:33,189 --> 01:15:30,719
never delivering on it it's not that

1911
01:15:34,709 --> 01:15:33,199
they're yeah they did something good

1912
01:15:36,709 --> 01:15:34,719
they had nothing to do with the original

1913
01:15:39,430 --> 01:15:36,719
they collected money they solicited

1914
01:15:41,590 --> 01:15:39,440
investors into the projects they even

1915
01:15:44,229 --> 01:15:41,600
sold by the way

1916
01:15:46,709 --> 01:15:44,239
that guy owes me a t-shirt because

1917
01:15:49,030 --> 01:15:46,719
a long time ago when he was running that

1918
01:15:50,830 --> 01:15:49,040
scam what he basically did is he went to

1919
01:15:54,390 --> 01:15:50,840
like amiga um

1920
01:15:56,310 --> 01:15:54,400
uh websites and forums and he talked

1921
01:15:58,390 --> 01:15:56,320
about his plans we're gonna have this

1922
01:16:00,950 --> 01:15:58,400
whole resurgence of the amiga but we

1923
01:16:03,590 --> 01:16:00,960
need funds in order to do the research

1924
01:16:04,950 --> 01:16:03,600
and get the boards made or whatever so

1925
01:16:07,189 --> 01:16:04,960
right

1926
01:16:09,430 --> 01:16:07,199
give me fifty dollars or something like

1927
01:16:12,229 --> 01:16:09,440
that as i recall it was fifty dollars

1928
01:16:14,790 --> 01:16:12,239
and then we're gonna send you a sticker

1929
01:16:16,470 --> 01:16:14,800
and a shirt and i thought if this guy's

1930
01:16:18,310 --> 01:16:16,480
really gonna do this i love that

1931
01:16:21,590 --> 01:16:18,320
computer so much i'll give him the 50

1932
01:16:23,270 --> 01:16:21,600
bucks guess what i got for it nothing

1933
01:16:25,669 --> 01:16:23,280
the guy didn't even make good on the

1934
01:16:27,590 --> 01:16:25,679
t-shirts and the stickers but somehow

1935
01:16:29,510 --> 01:16:27,600
he's on the board of this company with

1936
01:16:31,189 --> 01:16:29,520
david wilcock and they're gonna make

1937
01:16:34,950 --> 01:16:31,199
hover cars

1938
01:16:37,510 --> 01:16:34,960
ufo john doe i don't believe it 9.99

1939
01:16:39,750 --> 01:16:37,520
super chat says great show nice job sue

1940
01:16:41,189 --> 01:16:39,760
spooky nice work six cents and stephen

1941
01:16:43,110 --> 01:16:41,199
as well it's going to be a long before i

1942
01:16:44,950 --> 01:16:43,120
can catch a live show again i'll watch

1943
01:16:47,189 --> 01:16:44,960
the replays keep

1944
01:16:49,830 --> 01:16:47,199
right on john

1945
01:16:51,510 --> 01:16:49,840
love you trixie thank you ufo john we

1946
01:16:53,510 --> 01:16:51,520
appreciate your kindness well i think i

1947
01:16:57,669 --> 01:16:53,520
think we should get a trixie now he's

1948
01:17:02,229 --> 01:17:00,390
oh yeah we'll see if we can i i

1949
01:17:03,910 --> 01:17:02,239
definitely i definitely have some of

1950
01:17:06,390 --> 01:17:03,920
these here

1951
01:17:07,750 --> 01:17:06,400
yeah uh

1952
01:17:10,070 --> 01:17:07,760
wait a minute

1953
01:17:11,910 --> 01:17:10,080
i have to go to this other brand did you

1954
01:17:14,540 --> 01:17:11,920
guys run into this yet

1955
01:17:20,550 --> 01:17:14,550
yeah yeah with dream yard and yeah

1956
01:17:24,709 --> 01:17:22,870
yes but here here's uh trixie to thank

1957
01:17:27,229 --> 01:17:24,719
ufo john

1958
01:17:30,630 --> 01:17:27,239
this is trixie loose reporting

1959
01:17:33,669 --> 01:17:30,640
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1960
01:17:37,189 --> 01:17:33,679
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1961
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1963
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1966
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1967
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1968
01:17:56,390 --> 01:17:54,560
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1969
01:18:02,060 --> 01:17:56,400
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1970
01:18:07,189 --> 01:18:04,870
[Music]

1971
01:18:09,590 --> 01:18:07,199
i think i would pay 33 dollars to watch

1972
01:18:10,390 --> 01:18:09,600
her jump around in like yoga pants and

1973
01:18:13,830 --> 01:18:10,400
and

1974
01:18:16,229 --> 01:18:13,840
a sports bra wouldn't you i i i'd pay 10

1975
01:18:19,910 --> 01:18:16,239
bucks to uh to just listen to that jazz

1976
01:18:19,920 --> 01:18:22,550
yeah

1977
01:18:24,550 --> 01:18:23,189
it's

1978
01:18:26,229 --> 01:18:24,560
you know i i don't know what's going to

1979
01:18:28,470 --> 01:18:26,239
happen with this story but i'm hopeful

1980
01:18:30,870 --> 01:18:28,480
that we'll get to the heart of the

1981
01:18:32,229 --> 01:18:30,880
mystery and find out what that object

1982
01:18:33,750 --> 01:18:32,239
really is

1983
01:18:36,550 --> 01:18:33,760
definitively too i think this is going

1984
01:18:37,510 --> 01:18:36,560
to be a story that i think is going to

1985
01:18:39,189 --> 01:18:37,520
kind of

1986
01:18:41,669 --> 01:18:39,199
dominate the discussion for a little

1987
01:18:43,750 --> 01:18:41,679
while but it's it's a worthy story to

1988
01:18:45,430 --> 01:18:43,760
investigate there's there's questions

1989
01:18:46,390 --> 01:18:45,440
about the provenance of the negatives

1990
01:18:48,149 --> 01:18:46,400
there's questions about the

1991
01:18:49,990 --> 01:18:48,159
classification what whether it was

1992
01:18:51,189 --> 01:18:50,000
classified whether it wasn't classified

1993
01:18:52,950 --> 01:18:51,199
these are all questions that we need to

1994
01:18:55,110 --> 01:18:52,960
find out we need to find out

1995
01:18:57,430 --> 01:18:55,120
if we can find the witnesses what camera

1996
01:18:58,709 --> 01:18:57,440
they used what lens we used there's a

1997
01:19:02,070 --> 01:18:58,719
lot of different questions that we need

1998
01:19:04,070 --> 01:19:02,080
to answer and like this investigation is

1999
01:19:05,910 --> 01:19:04,080
for a lot of people in the field like

2000
01:19:07,669 --> 01:19:05,920
especially new people

2001
01:19:09,669 --> 01:19:07,679
for a lot of them it's only three days

2002
01:19:11,669 --> 01:19:09,679
old for them like i've known about this

2003
01:19:14,390 --> 01:19:11,679
image for a long time just from

2004
01:19:17,270 --> 01:19:14,400
reading like ufo books growing up yeah

2005
01:19:19,910 --> 01:19:17,280
it was legendary this was a legend this

2006
01:19:22,310 --> 01:19:19,920
was a legend this mysterious photograph

2007
01:19:24,149 --> 01:19:22,320
that the government hid from us you know

2008
01:19:25,750 --> 01:19:24,159
right that's why as soon as i saw the

2009
01:19:27,750 --> 01:19:25,760
story in the daily mail i messaged you

2010
01:19:29,030 --> 01:19:27,760
like this is a banger of a story because

2011
01:19:30,550 --> 01:19:29,040
it's

2012
01:19:33,510 --> 01:19:30,560
like

2013
01:19:35,270 --> 01:19:33,520
interest

2014
01:19:37,270 --> 01:19:35,280
through the years for people in england

2015
01:19:38,310 --> 01:19:37,280
that are into the subject this is one of

2016
01:19:40,470 --> 01:19:38,320
the things you would have learned about

2017
01:19:41,430 --> 01:19:40,480
along with randall sherm and stuff like

2018
01:19:44,390 --> 01:19:41,440
that is

2019
01:19:45,590 --> 01:19:44,400
our heritage ufo stories

2020
01:19:47,430 --> 01:19:45,600
because you get a lot of you know get

2021
01:19:49,430 --> 01:19:47,440
the american sightings or sightings out

2022
01:19:51,830 --> 01:19:49,440
in the ocean and stuff but it's it's not

2023
01:19:53,910 --> 01:19:51,840
a lot of uh uk sightings that are kind

2024
01:19:54,790 --> 01:19:53,920
of in the ufo law

2025
01:19:56,470 --> 01:19:54,800
which is

2026
01:19:58,790 --> 01:19:56,480
again i find it interesting that this

2027
01:20:00,870 --> 01:19:58,800
it's this particular case that has come

2028
01:20:02,310 --> 01:20:00,880
out now right when there's a push to try

2029
01:20:04,390 --> 01:20:02,320
and get people talking about it i find

2030
01:20:06,310 --> 01:20:04,400
it interesting

2031
01:20:08,629 --> 01:20:06,320
yeah whether it means anything or not i

2032
01:20:10,390 --> 01:20:08,639
don't know but it's just it's convenient

2033
01:20:12,790 --> 01:20:10,400
timing in terms of wanting to push the

2034
01:20:16,550 --> 01:20:12,800
conversation forward in a in a

2035
01:20:19,590 --> 01:20:18,149
yeah i think this is going to be one of

2036
01:20:20,950 --> 01:20:19,600
those

2037
01:20:22,629 --> 01:20:20,960
i think a lot of people might be

2038
01:20:23,910 --> 01:20:22,639
disappointed though i think that we're

2039
01:20:25,510 --> 01:20:23,920
going to get yeah i think a lot of

2040
01:20:27,910 --> 01:20:25,520
people will be disappointed i think it

2041
01:20:28,870 --> 01:20:27,920
would be much more mundane like

2042
01:20:30,870 --> 01:20:28,880
i think

2043
01:20:32,470 --> 01:20:30,880
there's this the hype factor everybody

2044
01:20:34,310 --> 01:20:32,480
builds it all up or it's going to be

2045
01:20:37,350 --> 01:20:34,320
there so this is this

2046
01:20:42,390 --> 01:20:39,990
it could just be a mundane

2047
01:20:47,270 --> 01:20:42,400
explanation so

2048
01:20:51,030 --> 01:20:48,950
i don't think it's a mountain type of

2049
01:20:52,310 --> 01:20:51,040
skill by frog just from my own like

2050
01:20:53,430 --> 01:20:52,320
weather brain

2051
01:20:55,270 --> 01:20:53,440
but

2052
01:20:57,110 --> 01:20:55,280
i think it's something that is something

2053
01:20:58,470 --> 01:20:57,120
that we need to investigate together and

2054
01:21:00,070 --> 01:20:58,480
preferably

2055
01:21:02,629 --> 01:21:00,080
let's do it without ripping each other's

2056
01:21:05,189 --> 01:21:02,639
heads off everybody let's just be

2057
01:21:07,350 --> 01:21:05,199
rational and calm and know what the

2058
01:21:10,229 --> 01:21:07,360
facts what's the data telling me what

2059
01:21:12,830 --> 01:21:10,239
what questions can i ask from this and

2060
01:21:15,910 --> 01:21:12,840
where can i put like push the

2061
01:21:17,590 --> 01:21:15,920
investigation so that in five years

2062
01:21:19,030 --> 01:21:17,600
people look back and go

2063
01:21:21,750 --> 01:21:19,040
hey

2064
01:21:24,149 --> 01:21:21,760
we learnt this from this event and this

2065
01:21:25,750 --> 01:21:24,159
is how it affected the subject moving

2066
01:21:28,470 --> 01:21:25,760
forward instead of

2067
01:21:30,550 --> 01:21:28,480
oh he said she said on twitter oh i'm

2068
01:21:32,790 --> 01:21:30,560
gonna read the news oh thanks for coming

2069
01:21:34,070 --> 01:21:32,800
everybody that's that's not

2070
01:21:36,149 --> 01:21:34,080
that that's not

2071
01:21:38,070 --> 01:21:36,159
the study of ufos i don't know what that

2072
01:21:39,830 --> 01:21:38,080
is but it's not

2073
01:21:41,830 --> 01:21:39,840
really getting into the nitty-gritty and

2074
01:21:43,350 --> 01:21:41,840
actually researching cases and looking

2075
01:21:45,110 --> 01:21:43,360
at the evidence and asking questions and

2076
01:21:47,270 --> 01:21:45,120
trying to track down things like david

2077
01:21:49,590 --> 01:21:47,280
clarke and dan dan zetastrom did an

2078
01:21:51,030 --> 01:21:49,600
amazing job getting this photograph out

2079
01:21:52,950 --> 01:21:51,040
and like seriously tipped my heart to

2080
01:21:54,950 --> 01:21:52,960
them like

2081
01:21:56,950 --> 01:21:54,960
yeah this is this is what

2082
01:21:58,550 --> 01:21:56,960
everybody who is an aspiring journalist

2083
01:21:59,990 --> 01:21:58,560
in the field of ufology that's what we

2084
01:22:00,950 --> 01:22:00,000
need to be doing we need to be tracking

2085
01:22:03,430 --> 01:22:00,960
down

2086
01:22:06,390 --> 01:22:03,440
cases witnesses asking questions because

2087
01:22:08,070 --> 01:22:06,400
that data feeds into a data set that

2088
01:22:09,590 --> 01:22:08,080
informs us

2089
01:22:11,270 --> 01:22:09,600
instead of just being conjecture and

2090
01:22:13,830 --> 01:22:11,280
opinion it's

2091
01:22:16,870 --> 01:22:13,840
we look at the facts and then we we

2092
01:22:17,750 --> 01:22:16,880
logically glean

2093
01:22:20,550 --> 01:22:17,760
like

2094
01:22:23,189 --> 01:22:20,560
a hypothesis from it now it might not be

2095
01:22:25,669 --> 01:22:23,199
right but we're basing it on

2096
01:22:27,430 --> 01:22:25,679
information and not how we feel about it

2097
01:22:28,470 --> 01:22:27,440
whether we like it whether it's good for

2098
01:22:30,229 --> 01:22:28,480
our channel

2099
01:22:32,709 --> 01:22:30,239
anything like that we're basing it just

2100
01:22:34,790 --> 01:22:32,719
on facts which is

2101
01:22:36,070 --> 01:22:34,800
the only thing that matters really

2102
01:22:38,390 --> 01:22:36,080
if you're really into the truth and you

2103
01:22:40,390 --> 01:22:38,400
want disclosure it shouldn't be about

2104
01:22:41,750 --> 01:22:40,400
opinions or feelings it should just be

2105
01:22:43,270 --> 01:22:41,760
about the fact

2106
01:22:47,510 --> 01:22:43,280
and that's

2107
01:22:51,910 --> 01:22:49,830
yeah i have plenty of them so you're

2108
01:22:55,590 --> 01:22:51,920
allowed you know it's perfectly fine

2109
01:23:01,590 --> 01:22:58,870
yeah uh i i am still uh anxiously

2110
01:23:03,510 --> 01:23:01,600
awaiting new information breaking about

2111
01:23:04,229 --> 01:23:03,520
this i think it is gonna cost me too you

2112
01:23:05,990 --> 01:23:04,239
know

2113
01:23:08,629 --> 01:23:06,000
it's coming there's good people doing

2114
01:23:10,149 --> 01:23:08,639
good research asking good questions so

2115
01:23:12,870 --> 01:23:10,159
it's going to come i can foresee us

2116
01:23:14,470 --> 01:23:12,880
doing an update on the story

2117
01:23:15,189 --> 01:23:14,480
pretty soon

2118
01:23:17,669 --> 01:23:15,199
so

2119
01:23:19,590 --> 01:23:17,679
yeah i'm with you on that one you know

2120
01:23:21,990 --> 01:23:19,600
and uh i did tell you that i got to put

2121
01:23:24,550 --> 01:23:22,000
my foot on the gas this week for those

2122
01:23:27,750 --> 01:23:24,560
unaware i i've been dealing with

2123
01:23:29,830 --> 01:23:27,760
children from like 7 a.m to 7 p.m

2124
01:23:31,590 --> 01:23:29,840
every day they're home for summer

2125
01:23:33,590 --> 01:23:31,600
vacation and that's going to be ending

2126
01:23:36,070 --> 01:23:33,600
in another two weeks

2127
01:23:37,830 --> 01:23:36,080
uh it's been very difficult so you know

2128
01:23:40,310 --> 01:23:37,840
part of my absence but

2129
01:23:42,550 --> 01:23:40,320
uh i put my family first

2130
01:23:44,310 --> 01:23:42,560
this is uh you know it should be what

2131
01:23:46,229 --> 01:23:44,320
comes after yeah this is what comes

2132
01:23:47,990 --> 01:23:46,239
after even though somebody's slagging me

2133
01:23:48,870 --> 01:23:48,000
because i'm not working hard enough for

2134
01:23:51,030 --> 01:23:48,880
them

2135
01:23:54,870 --> 01:23:51,040
you know or uh you know

2136
01:23:56,310 --> 01:23:54,880
another show host talking to who

2137
01:23:59,110 --> 01:23:56,320
i don't know who you're talking about

2138
01:24:02,310 --> 01:23:59,120
they're not important

2139
01:24:04,229 --> 01:24:02,320
yeah yeah but i think it's i think i

2140
01:24:07,189 --> 01:24:04,239
love it though when some dude that

2141
01:24:09,030 --> 01:24:07,199
sleeps all day is going to slag me when

2142
01:24:10,550 --> 01:24:09,040
i have two children by the way one of

2143
01:24:12,629 --> 01:24:10,560
them is special needs

2144
01:24:14,390 --> 01:24:12,639
and i would invite that idiot to come

2145
01:24:17,510 --> 01:24:14,400
and spend the day with me with the

2146
01:24:20,390 --> 01:24:17,520
non-verbal autistic child for 12 hours

2147
01:24:22,550 --> 01:24:20,400
and then tell me how uh energized he

2148
01:24:24,950 --> 01:24:22,560
feels to do a two or three hour show

2149
01:24:26,470 --> 01:24:24,960
after the 12 hours with a non-verbal

2150
01:24:29,030 --> 01:24:26,480
autistic child

2151
01:24:31,189 --> 01:24:29,040
being their caretaker all day it's tough

2152
01:24:32,390 --> 01:24:31,199
you know it yeah this is tough and that

2153
01:24:34,229 --> 01:24:32,400
and the other thing is

2154
01:24:36,229 --> 01:24:34,239
we've we've talked about this like i

2155
01:24:37,830 --> 01:24:36,239
don't like to wear out my welcome i

2156
01:24:39,910 --> 01:24:37,840
don't want to do six shows a week and

2157
01:24:41,990 --> 01:24:39,920
half of them are shitty no one does you

2158
01:24:45,030 --> 01:24:42,000
know i mean this guy does this guy does

2159
01:24:47,669 --> 01:24:45,040
shitty shows every day so yeah and he

2160
01:24:50,870 --> 01:24:47,679
does no work no research he has no facts

2161
01:24:52,950 --> 01:24:50,880
to offer no evidence he just talks

2162
01:24:54,950 --> 01:24:52,960
i could do that six days a week probably

2163
01:24:57,590 --> 01:24:54,960
but it would be a douche

2164
01:24:59,830 --> 01:24:57,600
it would be it would be

2165
01:25:03,030 --> 01:24:59,840
it would i mean this that's the ethos we

2166
01:25:06,790 --> 01:25:03,040
have on uh that one time is we just do

2167
01:25:08,709 --> 01:25:06,800
we do like two or three shows a week

2168
01:25:10,950 --> 01:25:08,719
and they're topical so we have

2169
01:25:13,510 --> 01:25:10,960
uh the cryptid show where they go it's

2170
01:25:16,790 --> 01:25:13,520
i'm not on that show um but they go into

2171
01:25:18,550 --> 01:25:16,800
like a pre-planned cryptid each week

2172
01:25:20,070 --> 01:25:18,560
for that they go we don't need a middle

2173
01:25:21,590 --> 01:25:20,080
for this we're going to use oh no

2174
01:25:23,270 --> 01:25:21,600
it's it's just

2175
01:25:27,430 --> 01:25:23,280
they already started the show before i

2176
01:25:29,110 --> 01:25:27,440
came on so they they they do their uh

2177
01:25:30,629 --> 01:25:29,120
corner i did notice that you're not on

2178
01:25:34,070 --> 01:25:30,639
those though so

2179
01:25:36,470 --> 01:25:35,510
we didn't they didn't need an extra

2180
01:25:38,470 --> 01:25:36,480
person they've got their you know

2181
01:25:41,030 --> 01:25:38,480
they've got their own vibe

2182
01:25:43,430 --> 01:25:41,040
they did not

2183
01:25:45,669 --> 01:25:43,440
ufo show what stuff which hopefully

2184
01:25:47,590 --> 01:25:45,679
we're changing the name of soon

2185
01:25:48,870 --> 01:25:47,600
um oh did that work

2186
01:25:51,350 --> 01:25:48,880
out

2187
01:26:06,950 --> 01:25:51,360
yeah a little bit like i just feel like

2188
01:26:11,430 --> 01:26:09,510
a story for our show uh

2189
01:26:13,189 --> 01:26:11,440
what's my show it's called truth seekers

2190
01:26:15,350 --> 01:26:13,199
it's on all these different platforms

2191
01:26:17,430 --> 01:26:15,360
and and usually people will talk to me

2192
01:26:19,910 --> 01:26:17,440
but if i called them up and said right

2193
01:26:23,350 --> 01:26:19,920
i'm doing a show and investing what's my

2194
01:26:25,510 --> 01:26:23,360
show it's called butt stuff with brianna

2195
01:26:27,270 --> 01:26:25,520
jamie and kari

2196
01:26:28,709 --> 01:26:27,280
click yeah

2197
01:26:30,550 --> 01:26:28,719
yeah

2198
01:26:32,390 --> 01:26:30,560
this is actually what i was i had a

2199
01:26:35,270 --> 01:26:32,400
conversation with bri today about about

2200
01:26:37,510 --> 01:26:35,280
that very thing is like i can see us not

2201
01:26:38,870 --> 01:26:37,520
getting guests because of the name

2202
01:26:40,629 --> 01:26:38,880
and like the joke was funny at the

2203
01:26:42,390 --> 01:26:40,639
beginning but i feel like if we want

2204
01:26:43,910 --> 01:26:42,400
like we're really taking this seriously

2205
01:26:45,750 --> 01:26:43,920
now and what we're doing

2206
01:26:47,110 --> 01:26:45,760
so like if we we want to be taken

2207
01:26:49,030 --> 01:26:47,120
seriously by

2208
01:26:51,430 --> 01:26:49,040
i review i would change it but you know

2209
01:26:53,430 --> 01:26:51,440
what that name suited its purpose it

2210
01:26:55,270 --> 01:26:53,440
made people go it did what is this yeah

2211
01:26:57,669 --> 01:26:55,280
let me tune in and check it out and you

2212
01:26:59,669 --> 01:26:57,679
probably got a lot of viewers from it

2213
01:27:02,149 --> 01:26:59,679
but you know

2214
01:27:03,830 --> 01:27:02,159
ufo john doe is here i have heard of

2215
01:27:05,189 --> 01:27:03,840
this uh cory i'm going to ask you your

2216
01:27:07,830 --> 01:27:05,199
opinion as well

2217
01:27:10,070 --> 01:27:07,840
take on james fox news james fox claims

2218
01:27:13,110 --> 01:27:10,080
to have located both photographic and

2219
01:27:14,470 --> 01:27:13,120
video evidence of the entities from the

2220
01:27:16,550 --> 01:27:14,480
var gin

2221
01:27:18,709 --> 01:27:16,560
ha incident for those who don't know

2222
01:27:22,229 --> 01:27:18,719
there was these little aliens

2223
01:27:26,870 --> 01:27:24,229
i'm just looking at the wikipedia page

2224
01:27:28,550 --> 01:27:26,880
it's a famous ufo story apparently there

2225
01:27:30,790 --> 01:27:28,560
was a bunch of ufo sightings and then

2226
01:27:31,669 --> 01:27:30,800
there was not one but several of these

2227
01:27:34,629 --> 01:27:31,679
little

2228
01:27:37,669 --> 01:27:34,639
reptilian aliens that look sort of like

2229
01:27:40,310 --> 01:27:37,679
chupacabras and gray aliens mixed

2230
01:27:42,070 --> 01:27:40,320
very strange story and the people i will

2231
01:27:44,390 --> 01:27:42,080
say this i've i've listened to several

2232
01:27:45,750 --> 01:27:44,400
interviews of the women that saw these

2233
01:27:47,990 --> 01:27:45,760
things and they were terrified they

2234
01:27:49,830 --> 01:27:48,000
thought it was the devil or they didn't

2235
01:27:51,590 --> 01:27:49,840
know what it was and

2236
01:27:53,910 --> 01:27:51,600
there's a whole story that goes with it

2237
01:27:56,070 --> 01:27:53,920
that one of them was taken to the

2238
01:27:57,350 --> 01:27:56,080
to the local hospital and that people

2239
01:27:59,270 --> 01:27:57,360
that came in contact with these

2240
01:28:02,229 --> 01:27:59,280
creatures died of some mysterious

2241
01:28:04,709 --> 01:28:02,239
illness it's a great story and

2242
01:28:09,189 --> 01:28:04,719
what i will say about james fox is he's

2243
01:28:11,270 --> 01:28:09,199
still in my list of people that i don't

2244
01:28:14,629 --> 01:28:11,280
think are not credible

2245
01:28:16,950 --> 01:28:14,639
right i think he's mostly credible so uh

2246
01:28:19,030 --> 01:28:16,960
i enjoyed his documentary the phenomenon

2247
01:28:21,270 --> 01:28:19,040
i enjoyed that one and then

2248
01:28:23,430 --> 01:28:21,280
i enjoy a ufo documentary because we're

2249
01:28:26,550 --> 01:28:23,440
supposed to do this uh we're supposed to

2250
01:28:28,229 --> 01:28:26,560
do this this new documentary of his and

2251
01:28:29,910 --> 01:28:28,239
then you're supposed to come back right

2252
01:28:32,149 --> 01:28:29,920
the aerial school thing i need to get a

2253
01:28:33,110 --> 01:28:32,159
copy of that i will get a copy going to

2254
01:28:35,830 --> 01:28:33,120
this

2255
01:28:37,430 --> 01:28:35,840
oh right on yeah so thank you ufo john

2256
01:28:39,350 --> 01:28:37,440
doe for your kindness generosity and

2257
01:28:42,629 --> 01:28:39,360
yours i just wanted to say the the

2258
01:28:44,390 --> 01:28:42,639
vagina ufo incident just reading the

2259
01:28:46,229 --> 01:28:44,400
the wikipedia page about it the first

2260
01:28:48,149 --> 01:28:46,239
thing that came to mind is that you know

2261
01:28:50,550 --> 01:28:48,159
the scene in signs

2262
01:28:51,990 --> 01:28:50,560
where the tape from brazil

2263
01:28:52,790 --> 01:28:52,000
where the alien comes out of the bush

2264
01:28:54,470 --> 01:28:52,800
that

2265
01:28:55,990 --> 01:28:54,480
sounds exactly like i wouldn't be

2266
01:28:58,149 --> 01:28:56,000
surprised if that's the incident that

2267
01:29:00,149 --> 01:28:58,159
inspired that scene i think you're right

2268
01:29:02,310 --> 01:29:00,159
yeah and that was horrific that was one

2269
01:29:03,350 --> 01:29:02,320
of the jump moments in the movie you

2270
01:29:07,830 --> 01:29:03,360
know

2271
01:29:09,750 --> 01:29:07,840
why but i did i would have loved to send

2272
01:29:11,910 --> 01:29:09,760
that movie

2273
01:29:14,070 --> 01:29:11,920
says expect no pictures do you think

2274
01:29:16,149 --> 01:29:14,080
he's over promising and he's gonna under

2275
01:29:18,070 --> 01:29:16,159
deliver i i want to see pictures of

2276
01:29:19,590 --> 01:29:18,080
those aliens and i want to see videos of

2277
01:29:21,830 --> 01:29:19,600
those aliens

2278
01:29:25,510 --> 01:29:21,840
i'm more for more data

2279
01:29:27,189 --> 01:29:25,520
because then you know

2280
01:29:28,870 --> 01:29:27,199
he could have a source that is swearing

2281
01:29:30,470 --> 01:29:28,880
up and down that he's got photos and

2282
01:29:35,110 --> 01:29:30,480
videos that he's going to share with him

2283
01:29:39,189 --> 01:29:36,950
yeah i've had several people that have

2284
01:29:40,950 --> 01:29:39,199
offered me that have come to me and said

2285
01:29:43,590 --> 01:29:40,960
i've got this fantastic evidence and i

2286
01:29:45,189 --> 01:29:43,600
go great let's see it and then they

2287
01:29:47,830 --> 01:29:45,199
never come through with the evidence so

2288
01:29:49,750 --> 01:29:47,840
i generally do not start

2289
01:29:52,070 --> 01:29:49,760
pumping a story until i've seen the

2290
01:29:53,110 --> 01:29:52,080
evidence he may have jumped the gun we

2291
01:29:54,229 --> 01:29:53,120
don't know

2292
01:29:55,669 --> 01:29:54,239
you know

2293
01:29:56,870 --> 01:29:55,679
happens

2294
01:29:59,910 --> 01:29:56,880
it does

2295
01:30:02,470 --> 01:29:59,920
i i hope he if if that date is good i

2296
01:30:04,950 --> 01:30:02,480
hope he makes a documentary about it

2297
01:30:07,270 --> 01:30:04,960
it's a fantastic story if it's true it's

2298
01:30:09,990 --> 01:30:07,280
amazing the problem that i have is that

2299
01:30:11,510 --> 01:30:10,000
i'm sure that one of those people

2300
01:30:13,990 --> 01:30:11,520
one of the people that really hyped up

2301
01:30:16,629 --> 01:30:14,000
that story was jaime the son so that

2302
01:30:17,669 --> 01:30:16,639
he's the king of fake stories and hoaxes

2303
01:30:20,310 --> 01:30:17,679
you know

2304
01:30:22,629 --> 01:30:20,320
he did the the the nazca mummy thing

2305
01:30:25,270 --> 01:30:22,639
right yes and he also did the spider

2306
01:30:26,950 --> 01:30:25,280
monkey that was mummified and

2307
01:30:28,550 --> 01:30:26,960
shaved down and

2308
01:30:30,550 --> 01:30:28,560
it was an alien it turned out to be a

2309
01:30:32,870 --> 01:30:30,560
spider or marmoset monkey i'm sorry i

2310
01:30:35,750 --> 01:30:32,880
was so upset about that i remember what

2311
01:30:38,709 --> 01:30:35,760
i mean this this is going back like 11

2312
01:30:40,070 --> 01:30:38,719
maybe 12 years now it was the original

2313
01:30:42,149 --> 01:30:40,080
stephen grier

2314
01:30:44,470 --> 01:30:42,159
serious the documentary

2315
01:30:46,550 --> 01:30:44,480
and i remember i put like

2316
01:30:49,590 --> 01:30:46,560
i put a couple of hundred pounds in

2317
01:30:51,750 --> 01:30:49,600
donations into that movie to get like a

2318
01:30:54,229 --> 01:30:51,760
digital copy and a dvd

2319
01:30:57,590 --> 01:30:54,239
and then it came out and like i know i

2320
01:30:59,110 --> 01:30:57,600
know i was young i was like i was like

2321
01:31:00,950 --> 01:30:59,120
20.

2322
01:31:03,590 --> 01:31:00,960
so like

2323
01:31:06,229 --> 01:31:03,600
i i remember distinctly watching it

2324
01:31:07,189 --> 01:31:06,239
right and by the end of it being like

2325
01:31:08,870 --> 01:31:07,199
wait

2326
01:31:11,430 --> 01:31:08,880
it wasn't real

2327
01:31:13,990 --> 01:31:11,440
like it was like the biggest the biggest

2328
01:31:15,830 --> 01:31:14,000
problem that i had with that video the

2329
01:31:17,669 --> 01:31:15,840
biggest problem i had with steven grier

2330
01:31:19,910 --> 01:31:17,679
is that he collected all this money and

2331
01:31:21,669 --> 01:31:19,920
crowdfunding running around like this is

2332
01:31:23,110 --> 01:31:21,679
an alien this is absolutely proof that

2333
01:31:24,149 --> 01:31:23,120
this is an alien

2334
01:31:27,110 --> 01:31:24,159
and then he

2335
01:31:28,950 --> 01:31:27,120
brushes you he rushes the documentary

2336
01:31:31,350 --> 01:31:28,960
and then just a few weeks after the

2337
01:31:33,270 --> 01:31:31,360
documentary comes out we get the dna

2338
01:31:34,310 --> 01:31:33,280
results back he couldn't wait it a few

2339
01:31:35,990 --> 01:31:34,320
weeks

2340
01:31:39,030 --> 01:31:36,000
and put that well it wasn't him like the

2341
01:31:40,950 --> 01:31:39,040
guy that made the movie uh is

2342
01:31:42,629 --> 01:31:40,960
armadeep calipa

2343
01:31:44,790 --> 01:31:42,639
yes

2344
01:31:47,270 --> 01:31:44,800
he's like everybody's a really nice guy

2345
01:31:49,430 --> 01:31:47,280
like everybody had a money bag to shut

2346
01:31:51,910 --> 01:31:49,440
up and and don't wait for the test

2347
01:31:53,430 --> 01:31:51,920
results me i would have gotten the test

2348
01:31:55,669 --> 01:31:53,440
results and then put it all in the

2349
01:31:58,229 --> 01:31:55,679
documentary well it's the same as like

2350
01:32:00,870 --> 01:31:58,239
the the bob lazar documentary ignoring a

2351
01:32:03,350 --> 01:32:00,880
shitload of evidence that disproved the

2352
01:32:05,350 --> 01:32:03,360
story they're trying to tell so it

2353
01:32:07,510 --> 01:32:05,360
this is what i was getting at on my

2354
01:32:08,310 --> 01:32:07,520
earlier show today is like everybody's

2355
01:32:09,910 --> 01:32:08,320
got

2356
01:32:11,590 --> 01:32:09,920
a lot of these content creators that are

2357
01:32:12,950 --> 01:32:11,600
out there making documentaries or having

2358
01:32:15,110 --> 01:32:12,960
channels they're all

2359
01:32:17,669 --> 01:32:15,120
coming at it from their own personal

2360
01:32:20,149 --> 01:32:17,679
bias and looking for things in the

2361
01:32:21,750 --> 01:32:20,159
evidence to confirm it and then saying

2362
01:32:23,189 --> 01:32:21,760
it to their audience and presenting it

2363
01:32:25,110 --> 01:32:23,199
like oh this is real here's all the

2364
01:32:26,550 --> 01:32:25,120
evidence

2365
01:32:27,750 --> 01:32:26,560
they don't need the facts they've

2366
01:32:29,189 --> 01:32:27,760
already made up their mind they just

2367
01:32:31,590 --> 01:32:29,199
need fun right to support their mind

2368
01:32:34,310 --> 01:32:31,600
that's already made up that's a problem

2369
01:32:36,310 --> 01:32:34,320
it is a massive problem that's not what

2370
01:32:38,550 --> 01:32:36,320
that's not what i want to do i want to i

2371
01:32:41,189 --> 01:32:38,560
want to look at the evidence and

2372
01:32:43,350 --> 01:32:41,199
the data see how it fits together and

2373
01:32:45,910 --> 01:32:43,360
then at the end of it i want to take a

2374
01:32:48,870 --> 01:32:45,920
step back and try and disprove

2375
01:32:50,470 --> 01:32:48,880
the notion or the outcome that i've

2376
01:32:52,950 --> 01:32:50,480
come to from looking at there i want to

2377
01:32:54,870 --> 01:32:52,960
say how could i possibly be wrong about

2378
01:32:56,470 --> 01:32:54,880
this because

2379
01:32:58,310 --> 01:32:56,480
i don't want to get myself like twisted

2380
01:32:59,910 --> 01:32:58,320
up into thinking oh this is definitely

2381
01:33:01,430 --> 01:32:59,920
what i think it is and there's no way it

2382
01:33:03,350 --> 01:33:01,440
possibly can

2383
01:33:04,390 --> 01:33:03,360
that would be nice i'd be naive to do

2384
01:33:06,229 --> 01:33:04,400
that

2385
01:33:08,470 --> 01:33:06,239
yeah well you know what's interesting is

2386
01:33:09,350 --> 01:33:08,480
that i i kind of approach it and say i

2387
01:33:11,990 --> 01:33:09,360
want to

2388
01:33:14,149 --> 01:33:12,000
exhaust all other possibilities before i

2389
01:33:15,910 --> 01:33:14,159
jump to this as aliens and it seems like

2390
01:33:18,390 --> 01:33:15,920
everybody else does the other way around

2391
01:33:20,550 --> 01:33:18,400
like this is aliens let's figure out how

2392
01:33:23,030 --> 01:33:20,560
we can prove its aliens like you know

2393
01:33:25,430 --> 01:33:23,040
come on oh they go this is not aliens

2394
01:33:27,350 --> 01:33:25,440
and i've got no er there's no way to

2395
01:33:29,750 --> 01:33:27,360
prove that it's not but

2396
01:33:31,430 --> 01:33:29,760
i'm gonna proclaim that it's not and

2397
01:33:33,189 --> 01:33:31,440
that's that

2398
01:33:34,870 --> 01:33:33,199
like this that's there's a problem on

2399
01:33:36,790 --> 01:33:34,880
each side i like i like to take the

2400
01:33:37,669 --> 01:33:36,800
middle approach and just

2401
01:33:45,830 --> 01:33:37,679
not

2402
01:33:47,750 --> 01:33:45,840
to pick out of the data that's why this

2403
01:33:48,790 --> 01:33:47,760
photo you know some people are running

2404
01:33:51,750 --> 01:33:48,800
with it

2405
01:33:55,750 --> 01:33:53,669
kind of crowd are already talking about

2406
01:33:58,390 --> 01:33:55,760
how it was one of the mother ships or

2407
01:34:00,870 --> 01:33:58,400
something and then come down here

2408
01:34:03,189 --> 01:34:00,880
looking for uh looking for a scout craft

2409
01:34:06,390 --> 01:34:03,199
that was missing and they were already

2410
01:34:09,110 --> 01:34:06,400
tacking on to this story their garbage

2411
01:34:10,950 --> 01:34:09,120
peddled information ufo john doe says

2412
01:34:13,110 --> 01:34:10,960
you still need to do randall nickers

2413
01:34:14,629 --> 01:34:13,120
nickerson aerial phenomenon yeah we're

2414
01:34:16,070 --> 01:34:14,639
going to both watch this aerial

2415
01:34:17,830 --> 01:34:16,080
phenomenon documentary i'm going to

2416
01:34:19,510 --> 01:34:17,840
sprint for it from both of us we're

2417
01:34:20,550 --> 01:34:19,520
going to watch it and then uh we're

2418
01:34:22,310 --> 01:34:20,560
going to do

2419
01:34:24,390 --> 01:34:22,320
a talk about it because

2420
01:34:26,709 --> 01:34:24,400
i think that's one of the better cases i

2421
01:34:27,669 --> 01:34:26,719
refuse to believe that all those

2422
01:34:38,070 --> 01:34:27,679
children

2423
01:34:42,709 --> 01:34:39,990
30 years later these people have stuck

2424
01:34:44,709 --> 01:34:42,719
to their story that's a good

2425
01:34:47,270 --> 01:34:44,719
in clips i've seen of them you can see

2426
01:34:50,070 --> 01:34:47,280
that they carry like they carry that

2427
01:34:52,550 --> 01:34:50,080
experience with them and their bond

2428
01:34:54,149 --> 01:34:52,560
in adult life

2429
01:34:55,990 --> 01:34:54,159
it through that grit like they're all

2430
01:34:58,790 --> 01:34:56,000
they all still know each other because

2431
01:35:00,790 --> 01:34:58,800
of that event and it's like you

2432
01:35:02,629 --> 01:35:00,800
i don't think that the group would have

2433
01:35:04,470 --> 01:35:02,639
lasted that long if the whole thing was

2434
01:35:06,550 --> 01:35:04,480
based on a lie

2435
01:35:08,229 --> 01:35:06,560
because it's become a very famous case

2436
01:35:09,990 --> 01:35:08,239
and they're all still sticking to their

2437
01:35:12,470 --> 01:35:10,000
guns and they're necessary to carry it

2438
01:35:15,030 --> 01:35:12,480
with them like mass sightings are always

2439
01:35:18,550 --> 01:35:15,040
interesting to me because

2440
01:35:20,310 --> 01:35:18,560
if if all these people see it you know

2441
01:35:21,030 --> 01:35:20,320
there's got to be something to it you

2442
01:35:22,149 --> 01:35:21,040
know

2443
01:35:23,750 --> 01:35:22,159
right uh

2444
01:35:25,990 --> 01:35:23,760
there's a there are some famous

2445
01:35:28,390 --> 01:35:26,000
sightings where many many people saw the

2446
01:35:31,669 --> 01:35:28,400
thing you know phoenix lights how could

2447
01:35:33,350 --> 01:35:31,679
that all be uh flares it can't be based

2448
01:35:36,070 --> 01:35:33,360
on the description people saying it went

2449
01:35:37,910 --> 01:35:36,080
over them and it blacked out the sky

2450
01:35:39,510 --> 01:35:37,920
therefore it had to be a solid object

2451
01:35:41,669 --> 01:35:39,520
it's not flares

2452
01:35:43,669 --> 01:35:41,679
and uh you know that i've always been so

2453
01:35:45,189 --> 01:35:43,679
suspect in that case the government just

2454
01:35:47,109 --> 01:35:45,199
happened to drop flares right when

2455
01:35:50,870 --> 01:35:47,119
people were seeing this thing

2456
01:35:52,310 --> 01:35:50,880
uh you know a couple hours later

2457
01:35:54,070 --> 01:35:52,320
yeah

2458
01:35:55,990 --> 01:35:54,080
last live show for some guys see you

2459
01:35:57,669 --> 01:35:56,000
guys down the road tonight

2460
01:36:00,070 --> 01:35:57,679
we'll miss you

2461
01:36:03,030 --> 01:36:00,080
don't be too long we welcome you back uh

2462
01:36:05,590 --> 01:36:03,040
hopefully well soon i hope uh everybody

2463
01:36:07,750 --> 01:36:05,600
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2464
01:36:09,109 --> 01:36:07,760
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2465
01:36:10,550 --> 01:36:09,119
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2466
01:36:12,390 --> 01:36:10,560
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2467
01:36:13,830 --> 01:36:12,400
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2468
01:36:16,550 --> 01:36:13,840
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2469
01:36:19,030 --> 01:36:16,560
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2470
01:36:20,149 --> 01:36:19,040
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2471
01:36:21,669 --> 01:36:20,159
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2472
01:36:22,950 --> 01:36:21,679
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2473
01:36:25,270 --> 01:36:22,960
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2474
01:36:27,430 --> 01:36:25,280
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2475
01:36:29,510 --> 01:36:27,440
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2476
01:36:32,070 --> 01:36:29,520
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2477
01:36:33,189 --> 01:36:32,080
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2478
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2479
01:36:36,629 --> 01:36:35,280
do you think is a badass handle and i

2480
01:36:38,709 --> 01:36:36,639
was so happy when i found out it was

2481
01:36:40,310 --> 01:36:38,719
available back in 2015 i was like oh my

2482
01:36:41,910 --> 01:36:40,320
god i've got like the best twitter

2483
01:36:44,709 --> 01:36:41,920
handle ever

2484
01:36:46,070 --> 01:36:44,719
so that's where you can find me

2485
01:36:48,229 --> 01:36:46,080
um

2486
01:36:49,350 --> 01:36:48,239
thank you for having me steve yeah well

2487
01:36:50,950 --> 01:36:49,360
i'm going to throw you out here and

2488
01:36:52,950 --> 01:36:50,960
we're going to wrap things up here we'll

2489
01:36:54,709 --> 01:36:52,960
be back tomorrow night at 9 00 p.m

2490
01:36:56,470 --> 01:36:54,719
eastern standard time

2491
01:36:58,229 --> 01:36:56,480
uh

2492
01:37:00,550 --> 01:36:58,239
yeah i hope you join us tomorrow night

2493
01:37:02,149 --> 01:37:00,560
uh uh oh i'll be loving them

2494
01:37:03,990 --> 01:37:02,159
okay all right well i'm going to throw

2495
01:37:07,189 --> 01:37:04,000
you out of here thank you very much for

2496
01:37:09,750 --> 01:37:07,199
participating as your first guest spot

2497
01:37:12,390 --> 01:37:09,760
so uh we did it we did it read it it's

2498
01:37:15,109 --> 01:37:12,400
about time

2499
01:37:17,030 --> 01:37:15,119
i'm a terrible show host uh yeah i've

2500
01:37:18,550 --> 01:37:17,040
known card for a long long time should

2501
01:37:19,910 --> 01:37:18,560
have been one of the first guests that i

2502
01:37:21,109 --> 01:37:19,920
had i don't know why it's taking this

2503
01:37:23,430 --> 01:37:21,119
long but

2504
01:37:25,030 --> 01:37:23,440
here we are so we'll be back tomorrow

2505
01:37:27,109 --> 01:37:25,040
night at 9 00 p.m eastern time i'll

2506
01:37:28,870 --> 01:37:27,119
remind you a few things first if you're

2507
01:37:30,229 --> 01:37:28,880
listening in audio podcast land one of

2508
01:37:32,310 --> 01:37:30,239
the best ways

2509
01:37:35,109 --> 01:37:32,320
uh one of the best things you could do

2510
01:37:37,270 --> 01:37:35,119
is come over here to youtube just go on

2511
01:37:38,950 --> 01:37:37,280
over to youtube.com put true seekers one

2512
01:37:40,870 --> 01:37:38,960
word in the search bar you'll see me the

2513
01:37:42,550 --> 01:37:40,880
strange guy with the sunglasses

2514
01:37:43,669 --> 01:37:42,560
that will mean you have found our

2515
01:37:47,189 --> 01:37:43,679
channel

2516
01:37:49,109 --> 01:37:47,199
button hit that notification bell and

2517
01:37:52,629 --> 01:37:49,119
you too will know when we're doing these

2518
01:37:54,310 --> 01:37:52,639
live tapings for the podcast um we love

2519
01:37:55,990 --> 01:37:54,320
and appreciate all you an audio podcast

2520
01:37:58,390 --> 01:37:56,000
liam but you're missing after fun so

2521
01:38:00,470 --> 01:37:58,400
come on over here to youtube subscribe

2522
01:38:03,590 --> 01:38:00,480
hit the notification bell and come here

2523
01:38:06,229 --> 01:38:03,600
and be a part of our live chat and live

2524
01:38:08,550 --> 01:38:06,239
interactive interactive experience while

2525
01:38:09,510 --> 01:38:08,560
we're recording the podcast

2526
01:38:10,790 --> 01:38:09,520
um

2527
01:38:12,470 --> 01:38:10,800
the other thing i would remind you is

2528
01:38:14,229 --> 01:38:12,480
that you could join us on patreon for as

2529
01:38:15,910 --> 01:38:14,239
little as a dollar a month or you can

2530
01:38:17,350 --> 01:38:15,920
become a channel member here on youtube

2531
01:38:19,590 --> 01:38:17,360
just hit that join button for five

2532
01:38:21,910 --> 01:38:19,600
dollars a month and you get all the

2533
01:38:24,390 --> 01:38:21,920
patreon benefits plus some youtube

2534
01:38:27,350 --> 01:38:24,400
goodies as well a member badge priority

2535
01:38:31,510 --> 01:38:27,360
reply to uh in the super chat and live

2536
01:38:33,430 --> 01:38:31,520
uh and and the video comments and more

2537
01:38:35,669 --> 01:38:33,440
the other thing that you could do that

2538
01:38:38,550 --> 01:38:35,679
helps just as much is to like comment

2539
01:38:40,790 --> 01:38:38,560
subscribe and share these videos

2540
01:38:43,270 --> 01:38:40,800
uh we need a bigger bullhorn and you can

2541
01:38:45,910 --> 01:38:43,280
help us do that by putting these videos

2542
01:38:48,149 --> 01:38:45,920
on your social media it helps us to find

2543
01:38:51,109 --> 01:38:48,159
new people i see all you people sharing

2544
01:38:53,750 --> 01:38:51,119
and i appreciate it immensely uh what

2545
01:38:56,149 --> 01:38:53,760
can i say uh we have grown because of

2546
01:38:59,750 --> 01:38:56,159
kindness generosity and support of

2547
01:39:02,149 --> 01:38:59,760
people here both financially and if

2548
01:39:04,790 --> 01:39:02,159
look i get it it's rough out there

2549
01:39:07,350 --> 01:39:04,800
brother can you spare a dollar uh and if

2550
01:39:09,270 --> 01:39:07,360
not uh it costs nothing to like comment

2551
01:39:11,430 --> 01:39:09,280
subscribe and share

2552
01:39:13,750 --> 01:39:11,440
so please do

2553
01:39:14,629 --> 01:39:13,760
interact with us you can ask questions

2554
01:39:17,270 --> 01:39:14,639
uh

2555
01:39:19,990 --> 01:39:17,280
we have a good bunch of people here

2556
01:39:21,910 --> 01:39:20,000
um that also join in the discussion and

2557
01:39:23,590 --> 01:39:21,920
you are most welcome here

2558
01:39:25,109 --> 01:39:23,600
so that's all we got for you tonight

2559
01:39:31,370 --> 01:39:25,119
friends until next time my name is

2560
01:40:51,730 --> 01:40:50,370
[Music]

2561
01:41:26,430 --> 01:40:51,740
[Applause]